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Ask Papabear - Thu 14 Nov 2013 - 02:39
Hello. 

Actually I am not a furry, but ask this question here. I recently knows that my younger brother is furry. I absolutely hate furry. Hated them since childhood, knowing that furry - it's just a manifestation of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. Furry declare the existence of some "anthropomorphic animals", but I know perfectly well that such can not be, for biological reasons. Nature rewarded a number of multi barriers to interbreeding. From biochemical to genetic incompatibility. Thus, the "anthropomorphic animals" can only be created by transgenically. However, the current level of science is not technology does not allow it. Moreover, there is no reason to believe that at all possible, again for medical reasons. 

I do not know how to act. On the one hand, I totally hate furry, and I think that they should be under the medical supervision of psychiatrists; on the other hand, I can not hate my younger brother. Currently, I kicked him out of my house. Next to me, must not be furry. I'm not homophobic or religious, but I furry hater and dream of all the furry placed in a mental hospital. I told all this to his brother, but he decided to make me angry and told me to buy fursuit from that, I was in a fury. What is wrong with you, furries? Why do you like this nonsense? What good does it bring you? You will also swear to each other, and hate each other. Do you have the same arrogant "celebrities". After I drove my brother-furry, none of the other furry it did not help him. No one, he just burst into life. What a pointless subculture.

Gerard. Belfort, France. (age 21)

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Dear Gerard,

Thank you for caring enough about this issue to write to me. I’m sorry you feel so negatively about furries, but since you took the time to write I will try and explain some things to you.

To begin with, the modern furry fandom began with a bunch of science fiction and fantasy fiction fans who liked to talk about books and movies and comics with anthropomorphic characters. It later grew in playfulness, with people drawing their own art, dressing up, and having conventions. This is all very similar to other types of fan groups, such as Star Trek and comic book superhero fans. None of those people are crazy, and neither are furries. (Schizophrenia is a mental disorder involving delusions, hallucinations, and severe mood swings. Furries are not schizophrenic.) 

You also seem to believe that furries want to somehow breed with animals to create anthro characters, or perhaps create them in laboratories. I don’t know where you got this idea, but it is untrue. We are not advocating the actual creation of anthropomorphic species. What nonsense. While it’s fun to imagine such things, anyone with half a brain knows it is neither realistic nor practical in the real world.

You are convinced that furries are all crazy and should be institutionalized. If that’s true, why are you writing to me, a crazy person, by your definition, for advice? If I were crazy, I could not have graduated at the top of my class in college, become a senior editor in America’s largest reference book publishing company, forged a successful career as a freelancer, and now write a coherent and helpful advice column that has been complimented both by furries and by a couple of professionals in the mental health care field. I know furries who are computer programmers, marketers, pharmacists, professional photographers and printers, mechanics, and much more, all living productive, sane lives.

So, what exactly makes you hate furries so much as to kick your own brother out of your home?  He’s your brother, your flesh and blood, and you have abandoned him and then you have the temerity to complain that other furries won’t help him when you yourself—his own family—have refused to do so? Do you not see the hypocrisy in your own actions? Furthermore, did any of these furries who didn't take in your brother actually know him? If not, why would you assume they would take in a stranger just because he was a furry? That's like saying I should bring a stranger into my home because we both like the same football team. Finally, if he were actually insane for some reason, don't you think that the proper thing for you to have done in that case would have been to get him some help from a psychologist rather than shoving him out the door?

As to why furries such as yours truly enjoy being furry, I will tell you. I have enjoyed books and films with furry characters since I was a boy and read Kipling’s The Jungle Book  and Richard Adams’ Watership Down, well-respected works of literature. I also have and still do enjoy Disney films, and I am certainly not alone in that since such films ranging from Bambi to The Lion King have appealed to millions for decades. Since discovering the fandom, I have made more friends than I ever had in childhood or as a young adult. As a fursuiter, I enjoy dressing up as a bear and entertaining people, like I did most recently at Halloween (see below). Fursuiting brings joy to a lot of people, young and old, and I love to entertain them. Finally, I also have a spiritual connection to furry in that I believe that animal and other spirits in our world can have an effect upon us. With me, the Bear spirit is particularly strong. Think I’m crazy in that respect? Perhaps you should talk to the many thousands of Native Americans who believe as I do and to my spiritual adviser Blackbear, who has taught me about the Medicine Wheel and our connections to animals, something that far to many human beings have sadly lost. So, for me and for many others like me, it is not a “pointless subculture.”

Gerard, you have told me nothing about your brother that should engender such hatred in you. So he is a furry, so what? How does that hurt you so badly that you would make him homeless? Are you ashamed of him? You mention you are not homophobic, implying that your brother may be gay. Are you actually covering up your homophobia with a pretense that you hate furries? I suspect that could be a real possibility.

In the end, who is more crazy? The person who is a furry and likes anthro characters, or his brother, who has a maniacal hatred for something that is harmless (extreme mood swings) and is so delusional (note that word) about what furries actually are that he would make his brother homeless. Hmmmm, sound familiar?

If I had to choose between you and your brother, I know whom I would recommend see a mental health professional.

Papabear [Supplement to the above. Papabear just got this reply from Gerard. I'm not going to bother to respond to it because he has made up his mind on his views and there is no sense in arguing, but I thought my readers might be interested. The text with > in front of it is Gerard quoting my earlier reply.]

Hi.

> To begin with, the modern furry fandom began with a bunch of science
> fiction and fantasy fiction fans who liked to talk about books and movies
> and comics with anthropomorphic characters.

Anthropomorphic animals do not exist, never existed, and naturally can not occur. Nature has provided a number of restrictions and blocking interbreeding, from genetic incompatibility to biochemical incompatibility. All should know and understand, and not to live in a meaningless world of fantasies that do not lead to anything.

I have carefully read that is your subculture and there are no books or anything. But there are a lot of pornographic images and pornography in the infamous mursuits.

> It later grew in playfulness, with people drawing their own art, dressing
> up, and having conventions. This is all very similar to other types of fan
> groups, such as Star Trek and comic book superhero fans.

I ham and it can also be called subculture. But we have no one dresses up in costumes microchip and is not engaged with the sex. We have no conflicts, hatred, abuse, celebrities with their own sense of grandeur. Our websites is not censorship, as it is yours. We do not fight with the views that we may not like. We have no conflict if someone someone copies the scheme. By the way, hams get useful knowledge.

> None of those people are crazy, and neither are furries. (Schizophrenia is
> a mental disorder involving delusions, hallucinations, and severe mood
> swings. Furries are not schizophrenic.)

To be mad, do not have to be a furry, but to be furry enough to be crazy. You want me to believe that a grown man puts on a suit is not clear why - it is adequate?

> You also seem to believe that furries want to somehow breed with
> animals to create anthro characters, or perhaps create them in
> laboratories. I don t know where you got this idea, but it is untrue. We
> are not advocating the actual creation of anthropomorphic species. What
> nonsense. While it s fun to imagine such things, anyone with half a brain
> knows it is neither realistic nor practical in the real world.

Then what's the point? It's just stupid, it's insane. I can create a radio transmitter, can create a microprocessor-based device, it will all be a reality and will work. That can create furry, tons of nonsense?

> You are convinced that furries are all crazy and should be
> institutionalized. If that s true, why are you writing to me, a crazy
> person, by your definition? If I were crazy, I could not have graduated at
> the top of my class in college, become a senior editor in America s largest
> reference book publishing company, forged a successful career as a
> freelancer, and now write a coherent and helpful advice column that has
> been complimented both by furries and by a couple of professionals in the
> mental health care field. I know furries who are computer programmers,
> marketers, pharmacists, professional photographers and printers,
> mechanics, and much more, all living productive, sane lives.

Mental health is a very broad term. A good writer can be a serial killer.

> So, what exactly makes you hate furries so much as to kick your own
> brother out of your home?

1. It is absolutely pointless.
2. The lack of development.
3. Furry - very bad people: censorship on websites, aggression, anger, arrogance.

I do not want next to me was a furry. Previously, he was kicked out of the house parents who found the yiff image. My father was General of the Army and he almost killed him for this picture.

> He s your brother, your flesh and blood, and you have abandoned him and
> then you have the temerity to complain that other furries won t help him
> when you yourself his own family have refused to do so? Do you not see
> the hypocrisy in your own actions?

This is not a complaint but a statement of fact uselessness of your subculture. Why I did wrong, why should I put up with a furry? My house cost me a very big deal and I will not stand here furry, yiff, fursuit or something like that.

> As to why furries such as yours truly enjoy being furry, I will tell you. I
> have enjoyed books and films with furry characters since I was a boy and
> read Kipling s The Jungle Book  and Richard Adams  Watership Down,
> well-respected works of literature. I also have and still do enjoy Disney
> films, and I am certainly not alone in that since such films ranging from
> Bambi to The Lion King have appealed to millions for decades.

I believe that books and movies where the animals are anthropomorphized - is extremely harmful. Should be read only informative, scientific and  science literature. People engage in this nonsense and do not even have the curiosity to know how the world around us. Disney - it's nasty shit. We are here in France is very hate this company, as they are paying a lot of money to corrupt officials to take those fascist copyright "laws". Willing to sell his mother for money, damn copyrighters.

> Since discovering the fandom, I have made more friends than I ever had
> in childhood or as a young adult.

This is not a friend. Friends - it's close peoples. You talk about the acquaintance and nothing more. Where are the friends of my brother? Huh.

> As a fursuiter, I enjoy dressing up as a bear and entertaining people, like I
> did most recently at Halloween. Fursuiting brings joy to a lot of people,
> young and old, and I love to entertain them.

A large man in a strange costume? In Belfort is not accepted.

> Finally, I also have a spiritual connection to furry in that I believe that
> animal and other spirits in our world can have an effect upon us. With
> me, the Bear spirit is particularly strong. Think I m crazy in that respect?

Yes, this is crazy. There is no soul, and man, like other animals - it's just a biological robot.

> Perhaps you should talk to the many thousands of Native Americans who
> believe as I do and to my spiritual adviser Blackbear who has taught me
> about the Medicine Wheel and our connections to animals, something
> that far to many human beings have sadly lost. So, for me and for many
> others like me, it is not a  pointless subculture.

Even people from Mali is not as obscurantist, to believe in such nonsense. The belief in the soul, some common substance and everything like that is a result of poor education. In France we have is not accepted. It is very strange that in a country of Intel and Google believe in the soul.

> Gerard, you have told me nothing about your brother that should
> engender such hatred in you. So he is a furry, so what? How does that
> hurt you so badly that you would make him homeless?

I have always regarded negatively by the furry and I like the fact that it is far away from me. When it came to me and knocked on the door, to me it was very unpleasant. Why do I have to do on a great effort and tolerate all this? Therefore I will not beat my brother, deleting images and block sites. What does a homeless, it is his life. A few years ago, I, too, left home to army orders and now I have my own house. But furry can not work 12 hours, but can only pictures and fursuit.

> You mention you are not homophobic, implying that your brother may be
> gay. Are you actually covering up your homophobia with a pretense that
> you hate furries? I suspect that could be a real possibility.

He is gay, but that's no problem for me.

> In the end, who is more crazy? The person who is a furry and likes anthro
> characters, or his brother, who has a maniacal hatred for something that
> is harmless (extreme mood swings) and is so delusional (note that word)
> about what furries actual are that he would make his brother homeless.
> Hmmmm, sound familiar?

I do not consider myself crazy, my way of thinking is completely logical.

> If I had to choose, I know whom I would recommend see a mental health > professional.

A psychiatrist with whom I consulted, said furry mental illness. This is an occupational therapist, a licensed and diplomas.

Looking for similar styled semi-toony fursuit maker

Furry Reddit - Thu 14 Nov 2013 - 01:33

Didn't go over as well on r/fursuit so trying here...

So after finding out that people had been waiting over a year or more for a fursuit from Stuffed Panda, I figured the best course of action (other than jumping on her waiting list so I can wait a year that I did anyway) was to ask Reddit if they know of any similarly style fursuits.

I really like this sort of style for a fursuit because the anatomy fits enough of my realistic ideal to look awesome, but is still cute.

Does anyone know if there are any fursuit makers that have a similar style? I tried the Fursuit Maker list on here, but it's a bit out of date and messy to browse through.

I don't mind waiting a year or whatever, but I'd rather have a backup that might be preferable, especially since I could end up not being picked after a year.

(As for what I'm trying to get commissioned, this and this would explain.)

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Athletic Furry's

Furry Reddit - Thu 14 Nov 2013 - 00:48

I am a furry I am proud of this. When looking at my other passions i have, my fursona dose not always congeal to them, for example i practice BJJ (Brazilan Jiu-jitsu). Most of the Guy's and Girl's i Train with have no idea I'm a furry. So i was Curios Do other furry s do jiu-jitsu, martial arts or anything alike? If so what are some ways you incorporate it? Dose it make you feel out of place ever? or has this never been a thing you do?

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SFW Murrsuit!

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Can I sue my uni for harassment and possibly discrimination?

Furry Reddit - Wed 13 Nov 2013 - 21:12

I finally took the leap and wore my fursuit around school today, and it turned out about as well as you can expect in a progressive environment and a progressive time. My university has threatened to get me trespassed if I don't get counseling (gaslighting much?). They also want me to remove the fursuit from my dorm! I even offered to cover up the "inappropriate" holes and parts with boxers and a shirt respectively the next time I wore it out. They refused, of course.

Any advice, legal or otherwise?

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

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Any Pearls Before Swine fans?

Furry Reddit - Wed 13 Nov 2013 - 19:34

I am a big fan of this newspaper comic. It has a lot of crude humor and includes several personified animals. It's pretty controversial but I really enjoy it. Found out about this sub in some comments and thought I should share.

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What is the furry equivalent to the bronies Brohoof?

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I'm not that new to the fandom, but I still cant find a way to say hello like I do to my brony friends... Is there one? (\

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Never Finished This Guy...

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Forest the elemental wolf

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You Could Be Donald Duck!

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Author: rodney For those looking for more of an intellectual take on some of these anthropomorphic concepts, check out this new book: Carl Barks’ Donald Duck: Your Average American, by Peter Schilling, Jr.  From Amazon: “From 1942 to his retirement in 1966, Carl Barks drew Donald Duck comic books (the seventh greatest comic of the […]
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You Can Use Theater Techniques to Ease Social Anxiety

Ask Papabear - Wed 13 Nov 2013 - 12:01
Dear Papa Bear,

I believe you recently answered a letter from my boyfriend, Sorsolier, and I want to say thank you for your words. What you said was almost the exact same thing we had agreed upon a few days before you posted it, so the confirmation of our mutual realization was great to have and made us both feel much better about the situation. I would also like to say, you nailed it right on the head when you said the reason I was upset was because of a miscommunication problem. We’ve been working quite hard to make sure that kind of thing doesn’t happen again ... in a long-distance relationship, that’s pretty damn important and I screwed it up. I should have said how I felt right from the start, but that’s not the reason I’m writing you today.

Since I don’t know quite how to begin this explanation, I guess I’ll start from the way beginning.

I’ve suffered from social anxiety my entire life, so much so that it has actually led to me slipping into depression during eighth grade, and I still have yet to dig my way out of it. I used to not be able to talk to anybody, and the only real friends I’ve ever had up until junior year were the ones I’ve had since I was three. Now, it’s not nearly as bad as it used to be. Years in musical theatre and increased social interactions have led to me becoming quite an outgoing person, so much so that when I say I have social anxiety, people laugh at me, thinking it’s a joke. However, I have long since noticed a new threshold that I cannot pass.

Whenever something gets even slightly romantic and/or sexual, I feel like I’m about to have a heart attack. On the off chance that someone actually tries to flirt with me, my heart leaps up into my throat and I can’t speak. The last time I held hands with a girl, I think I nearly broke her fingers cuz it felt like I was about to have a heart attack. It seems I have gotten it stuck in my mind that whenever something like this happens, I’m going to fuck up miserably and ruin everything, and by letting that fear take me over it becomes a reality, whether I would have otherwise or not. Quite frankly, it’s horrible and has led to me believing that I will not find someone.

Kind of odd considering I now have a boyfriend... I honestly don’t know why he fell in love with me, but I’m definitely not complaining, as this is the longest, happiest relationship I’ve been in my entire life (the other ones being shallow, nothing relationships that barely involved doing anything and only lasted a couple of weeks).

A long-distance relationship, while still utterly terrifying to me, seemed to be ideal. We could only ever have text-based chats because he’s on a data plan, and any voice or video chatting would drain his monthly data in just a few short hours. There’s no physical contact whatsoever, and no matter how nervous I am, he can’t see just how much I’m freaking out.

It’s been months since those initial first thoughts, and now I’m more than a little confused as to what exactly I’m feeling. I have reached the point where I am absolutely craving physical contact, which, since he lives in New Zealand, and I, Chicago, isn’t going to happen very easily. You’d think that because I am craving this closeness, I’d be over my fears of a physical relationship, but no. While I fantasize about us being together (In both innocent, and not so innocent ways), the thought of actually going to New Zealand and meeting him next year (which is an option that has arisen for me) still has me terrified. I still have incredibly low self-esteem of myself, I still have issues with intimacy and commitment, and I’m still terrified that I’m going to do something wrong, not just because it will be embarrassing, but because this is the first time we’ll get to see what each other is like in person. If I fuck up, I could lose him, and that’s probably what terrifies me most of all, not just because I love him, which I do with all my heart, but I’m scared that I’m never going to bounce back.

Current boyfriend aside, I still feel like I will never be able to find someone who would want to be with me if this relationship were to fail, which there is an extremely high chance that it will given the obvious complication of living on separate sides of the planet.

Given this, there are PLENTY of questions I want to ask and pinning just one down to ask is ... really rather hard. I’m nervous, I’m scared, I just... I don’t know what to do, about the anxiety, about the relationship, about anything. So I guess the real question to ask that would just encompass everything is ... am I insane? Insane for being in this relationship? For loving someone I haven’t even spoken to face to face? For being this worked up over even just the simple act of holding hands with my boyfriend?

Thank you for sitting through my rant, and thanks ahead of time for your words and advice. I appreciate both of them.

Sincerely,
Morris Archeltum

* * * 

Hi, Morris,

Sorry for the late reply. Glad I was helpful with the earlier letter. About this one: I need to ask a question. Have you, by any chance, suffered from a traumatic earlier event in your life involving sex and/or romantic relationship? Your reply will be most helpful.

Papabear

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While I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if I dug up some sort of repressed memory later in life, no, I do not recall any sort of incident involving sex or romance. I have been taking therapy, and my therapist says that it is because I have had too many bad experiences with people in general, particularly in my early childhood, which has spawned a fear of forming relationships (of any kind). While I have moved on and have been able to form friendships, it still carries over into what I have described in my letter.

Morris

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Hi, again, Morris,

It’s good that you’re receiving some therapy, but I’m not sure it has been helping you. Some things need talking about here.....

Firstly, a phrase that really caught my attention was when you referred to Sorsolier as your “current boyfriend.” That’s called a Freudian slip. The implication here is that you expect this relationship to fail, and Sorsolier is only going to be in your life for now. If that is your mental state, then you have already set yourself up for failure.

Again *deep, heavy sigh* the problem here is the distance. Unless you are really serious about him and plan to either move to New Zealand or have him move to Chicago, then continuing to pursue this relationship is an exercise in futility. You are only doing it because having a boyfriend thousands of miles away is comfortable for you because of your relationship anxiety (you couldn't have asked for a boyfriend who was farther away and still on this planet). You really need to take a deep, long look into your soul and answer truthfully, with all your heart, do you see yourself and Sorsolier together in the future for many years ahead? I mean, REALLY together, not just online? If not, then you should break it off with him and let him be free to live his life in New Zealand while you live your life in Illinois. It is not fair to him to ask him to be faithful and alone because you cannot get over your social anxiety issues.

Now, as to that. You don’t realize it, but you have already found a solution to your problem: theater. As you have found, your involvement in the theater has done wonders for your ability to interact with other people. Shazam! This can also work in your love life. 

When you are on the stage, your anxiety is relieved because you have placed a mask over your identity, becoming a character and, hence, shielding your ego from personal hurt. I would bet you that when you first became involved in theater, this worked for you on stage, but not in real-life interactions. BUT, over time, and with continued stage experience, the easing of that anxiety also carried over into your day-to-day interactions so that now, as you say, the friends you have cannot believe you are a shy person.

You can use this same technique in your love life. You might try this by starting with your fursona, although any alter ego character will work. When you meet a potential love interest (or, if things go well, when you meet Sorsolier in real life), do so as your fursona, as Morris Archeltum, not your real self. This might sound disingenuous to you, but it really isn’t since most furries’ fursonas are actually reflections of their true egos. With this temporary shield in place, you will find that your anxieties will be alleviated because you will not feel so vulnerable. You can take on some of the confidence of your fursona to beef up the confidence you are lacking in your primary ego.

Continue to use this technique until, inevitably, as you found in your theater experience, you will no longer need your alter ego. You can take off the fursuit, so to speak, and present yourself fully to your love interest. Depending on the extent of your anxiety, this will take more or less time, but it will happen with enough patience on your part. 

Morris, do not let fear run your life. It is fear that prevents us from living, prevents us from being our true selves. Use your fursona as a crutch until your anxiety handicap has eased, and you will get over your fear of messing up your relationships. Expect success and you will create it.

Good luck! I wish you love and happiness.

Papabear

I know it's in summer but...

Furry Reddit - Wed 13 Nov 2013 - 11:14

I am wanting to talk about Anthrocon. It will be my first time and I don't know what to expect. I've gone to a con before but it was rather small. Is there anything I should know; I've gotten sleeping arangment mostly decided. I'm wondering how people will act and what kinds of things will I see?

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GRRRR

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