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Hello, everyone. Kamunt Kurush here. So...it appears that word about me has spread far and wide already, due to me being part of the "Rosemont 19", as a friend so aptly put it. Proof that it's the same Kamunt: I just posted a journal about it on my FA, I tweeted from the ER, and I have a wristband. I'm going to give my full and detailed account of events that transpired to the very best of my knowledge. Everything that I will write in this post, I have already communicated to both the Midwest Furfest con security, as well as two officials from two separate law enforcement agencies. I feel it is my duty as someone directly involved in the attack's initial stage to communicate as much information as I can to the best of my ability and to help clear up any confusion or misinformation regarding the timeline of events. (Note that I will be withholding room numbers to protect people who do not wish to be mentioned.) I also apologize in advance for screwing up any formatting--this is my first self post.

It all started Saturday night ~midnight. I was drinking alcohol of course because I am trash. Inebriated or not, I managed to make my way out of a room party on the ninth floor around the stairwell where the chlorine powder 'bomb' was supposedly set off (henceforth Room A), but before it was set off. I went down to the lobby level and milled about with some of the people I was with for 10 minutes or so before deciding to head back upstairs to the fifth floor for awhile, where there was another party that I was also bouncing between (henceforth Room B). I spent another 5-10 minutes there before deciding to head back up to Room A, to see if anyone that was previously there was back once more. On my way up, I heard two male voices below me, but did not see anyone else in the staircase while transitioning from the fifth floor to the ninth floor. At that point, it was around 12:20am or so, and I did not smell any chlorine. I was let back into Room A by one person, the only person left in the room. We had seen each other in the room before when there were many people there, but he was the only one left. He was milling about idly, looking quite groggy, perhaps trying to clean up some of the mess from the party. I had left my suitcase there, since that was how I transported the alcohol in the first place, so I grabbed that after making sure that I had not left anything else in the room. I spent no more than 5 minutes in Room A again before I stepped outside.

Here's where things got scary and fast. I smelled chlorine immediately upon stepping out of Room A. I thought to myself, "Okay, something's wrong. If there even is a pool in this hotel [there isn't --ed.], it is nowhere close to the ninth floor. I don't care how much you were soaked in pool water, there is absolutely no reason for something to smell this badly of chlorine after only five minutes." I immediately ran to a room four rooms over, technically outside of the staircase area but still very close by (henceforth Room C). I could smell chlorine all the way until I entered the room, and was coughing pretty heavily. Upon being let inside, I immediately demanded to get to the balcony because I needed fresh air. There were seven other people in the room before I entered, totaling our party up at eight. I told people as best as I could that I smelled chlorine and thought that something was wrong. Some of the people just rolled their eyes and said something to the effect of, "Oh, Kamunt is really drunk again, what a surprise," but I was coughing pretty violently. I wasn't able to recover my breath, and soon I ran to the bathroom, and instead of throwing up, I continued coughing violently, and started coughing up blood-laced mucous, which was red in color, not maroon or black. Around that point or shortly thereafter, other people in the room started complaining about smelling chlorine.

Quickly, a voice shouted that we all needed to evacuate immediately. The eight of us bolted out of the room, leaving all of our belongings there, and we ran right for the staircase...sadly, the staircase right near Room A. During this commotion, one of the eight of us ran towards the elevator instead, and that was the last we saw of him for quite some time. Upon taking a few further steps into the stairwell, we discovered to our horror that the smell was incredibly worse within the stairwell--which is where the chlorine powder is apparently supposed to have been left. One of our party members, bless his heart, just powered all the way down the stairs despite the stench, and that was the last we saw of him for quite some time, as well. The call was made by a woman in our party then to immediately return to the room and go to the balcony to escape the stench. That command may have saved our lives in all the panic. After getting to the balcony, we were all in a panic, trying to figure things out, and the first thing I did was call 911. According to my phone logs, it was 12:34am when I made the 911 call. I gave them our address, explained the situation as briefly as I could including that we were all trapped in the balcony (despite being drunk, scared out of my wits and coughing up something now and then). In theory, we could have made it out at any time, but given the intense level of chlorine that we had all inhaled, we were all too terrified to try and brave going back into the convention again.

We were stuck up on the balcony for approximately the next 30 minutes, so this is about where my account ends. I did not identify anyone that seemed suspicious in rooms A or C, nor did I see anyone suspicious in the halls or the stairwell at any point in time. All things considered? Honestly? For the first time ever, I'm actually proud to be a furry. We persevered and came out stronger because of this entire weekend. Bitch can't kill our vibe that easily. As I stated, I've already given my account to three separate groups, once combined with the testimonies of three other individuals that were in Room C that night.

To summarize everything else I know:

• As of right now, I have no reason to believe that the authorities believe I am a suspect.

• As of right now, the one who perpetrated this attack is unknown.

• It was chlorine powder and not chlorine gas, as was initially thought--chlorine gas is considerably more deadly. Not that chlorine powder isn't, but I don't know if I would have even survived at all, since chlorine gas can apparently melt your lungs.

• There are no security cameras surveying the stairwells of the Hyatt Regency O'Hare.

• There is no pool in the Hyatt Regency O'Hare.

I am willing to answer as many questions as I can as soon as I can answer them, whether it be about myself, my involvement, clarification on timeline events or anything else. Like I said, the convention, all things considered? Pretty badass. :3 For more information, look no further than our own subreddit for more information. I've also taken the liberty of uploading a photo of the cached version of MWFF's official statement regarding the evacuation since it appears as though the actual link is presently borked source. EDIT: Formatting.

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I'm curious if there is a term for someone like me - I am not a furry, and have no desire to wear a fur suit, or any of that. BUT I like furries. Most the fursuits are adorable, almost all the ones I've seen are a lot of work and talent to make, and most the furries I've met are people I want to spend time with. Would I be willing to be seen with a friend, or partner, in a full fursuit in public? Absolutely! I think it'd actually be quite fun. I have a friend I've seen in his suit, and it's a lot of fun (not that he isn't fun as just his human self).

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Just chilling and playing some Binding of Isaac Come join and hang out in chat if you want http://www.twitch.tv/shadowcentota

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Hey, lets say i hypotheticaly brought a live animal resembling my fursona the most to a furry convention. on a scal of one to ten, with ten bieng "OH COOL!! can i pet it?" And 1 bieng "get that smelly thing away from me!"

Also, is it like against the rules?

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Attention furries! For a time, I'll be offering "League Of Furries" 3/4 body badge commissions, traditional artwork shipped straight to your door! I will draw your fursona, dressed as your favorite league of legends character/skin, for only $10 ! ($15 if it's a really complicated design like Leona or Mordekaiser)

Artwork is done with prismacolor markers and colored pencils, lined with Faber-Castell artist pens, and shall be laminated before being shipped.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15177536/

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Who created them? When did it all start? Were there furries before the internet? So many questions!

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And the award for the most inaccurate or misleading headline arising from the Midwest FurFest evacuation goes to...

...the Jamestown Sun, who are currently running an article with the headline 'Furries' forced to evacuate burning Chicago hotel...

http://www.jamestownsun.com/content/furries-forced-evacuate-burning-chicago-hotel

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Made a claim of Chile on /r/worldpowers, waiting on the claim being approved. Last night, I drew up a hierarchy, and if some of you guys want to be a cabinet member, I'm looking to rename it the Furry Republic. If your inerested, look out for the hierarchy post tonight or tomorrow, and comment on it.

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Pornography tends towards extremes. Genitalia is emphasized and often over-sized; bodies are idealized; the sounds and smells of sex are either downplayed or overplayed.

Such distortions of the real world are both good and bad. They are good because it’s what people want, and people should be free to fantasize however they wish. They are bad because they set an unrealistic precedent for the real world. And so people enjoy consuming outlandish depictions of sex while often simultaneously feeling bad for personally failing to meet that unattainable standard.

The problem especially obvious when it comes to pornography that depicts women with penises, or men with vaginas*. These depictions are, give or take, of transgender people, and are usually wildly unrealistic. It’s bad enough that such pornography reinforces the tendency for transgender people to be thought of as biological curiosities, and worse that the terminology used to describe this pornography—d-girls and c-boys—is degrading.

This article is about the conflict between two competing demands. There is the libertarian demand for freedom to produce and describe pornography in a straightforward and useful fashion, and the humanitarian demand for transgender people to be treated in a respectful and reasonable fashion.

(And one quick warning before I go on: beyond this point I will be direct in my use of crude terminology.)

Terms like dickgirl and cuntboy are indisputably degrading. The main problem is objectification.

There are relatively few transgender and genderqueer people, with 2 to 5% of the population estimated to experience some degree of gender dysphoria, i.e. a difference between their gender and biological sex (ref). The number is much higher in furry—up to one in four of furries report differences between their gender and biological sex (ref Furry Survey, although the answer varies depending on how you treat the data)—yet still a minority. And like most minorities, people are assumed to not be transgender or genderqueer unless proven otherwise, so the numbers of visible non-cisgender people appear much lower.

Pornographic representations of transgender people, such as dickgirls and cuntboys, are common. In such pornography, in furry or anime or elsewhere, they are usually represented as being purely sexual beings. To refer to a transgender person as a dickgirl or a cuntboy is to define them by their genitals and sexuality, as an object that exists for sex and sexual gratification. Context doesn’t really matter—such terms are dehumanizing regardless of intent.

Women suffer a similar problem. It is common for women to be objectified (i.e. denied human agency) by men, inside and outside pornography. This is a pervasive problem in most societies around the world, and is one the main drivers of feminism and feminist theory. The problem is not always obvious to see because we tend to accept the world as it is, so let me give you a simple, convenient example:

“It was the difference between the way a lion hunts to catch and devour its prey and the way a squirrel collects and stores nuts for winter.” (ref)

 

That quote is an excerpt from Nev Schulman’s book, In Real Life. You might know Nev as the feckless peanut who was featured in the Catfish documentary, and he now fronts MTV’s Catfish TV show. He is writing about a personal epiphany that led him to consider women as more than just potential sexual conquests.

Nev thinks that he has grown to respect women, but notice how he compares women with unthinking objects. Pre-epiphany they are prey; post-epiphany they are resources. He hasn’t learned a thing: to him, women are mere objects—to be consumed and forgotten while he moves on to his next meal. And while Nev’s peanutry is an extreme example, objectifying language towards women is everywhere.

Similarly, to refer to transgender person as a dickgirl or a cuntboy is suggest that they are defined by their sexual utility, and therefore to inherently deny their humanity.

The second problem with these terms is the focus on genitalia. Biological sex and gender are two different things, and the emphasis on the ‘dick-‘ and the ‘cunt-‘ suggest that this is of more, or at least equal, importance as the ‘-boy’ and the ‘-girl’. It’s not. To assert that genitalia defines gender is wrong, and is wilfully offensive towards those furries who experience a difference between the two. It is blatantly transphobic.

Dickgirl and cuntboy are not the only dehumanizing words used to describe transgender or genderqueer people. Terms like shemale are similarly objectifying. There are also words that are less overt but come associated with a history of oppression, such as ‘tranny’, which is comparable to using ‘faggot’ to refer to a gay man. These terms are never okay to use in reference to a person unless you have specific consent to do so.

Hermaphrodite (or herm) is another offensive term widely used to describe furry pornography, broadly in reference to intersex people. Hermaphrodite is a deprecated Victorian medical term used to describe a human with two sets of functioning genitals, one male and one female. Yet this is something that does not, and cannot, occur (in humans). It is misleading and stigmatizing.

(For the record: an intersex individual is someone who does not have typical genitalia at birth. Intersex people can be male, female, or somewhere in between. With intersex people as with everyone else, biology does not define gender.)

So that’s one side of the coin. Objectifying and dehumanizing language is clearly to be avoided.

Unfortunately, objectifying and dehumanizing language is also useful. In pornography, dickgirls and cuntboys are not intended to reflect reality—they are intended to be sexual objects. Characters in much, if not most, pornography are (basically) mindless: they have little more reason to exist than to provide a template for sexual fantasies. In many ways, it’s just narrative efficiency.

And some characters in porn—furry and non-furry—are genuine hermaphrodites. To give an example, Bernard Doove has written many stories about chakats, a ‘true’ hermaphroditic species with a biological imperative to have sexual congress every day. This might not be great literature, but presumably it satisfies the desire of its intended audience. To call these characters hermaphrodites is reasonable.

There is a fundamental conflict here. On one hand, we wish to treat people with respect, on the other hand sexual fantasies often tend to be about the physiology and not the person.

This philosophical conundrum is one that has been debated at length in the last 100 years or so of feminism. Early feminism was influenced by Immanuel Kant, who felt that sexual objectification is a natural human response but a fundamentally dangerous and negative one. He wrote:

“sexual love makes of the loved person an Object of appetite; as soon as that appetite has been stilled, the person is cast aside as one casts away a lemon which has been sucked dry. … as soon as a person becomes an Object of appetite for another, all motives of moral relationship cease to function, because as an Object of appetite for another a person becomes a thing and can be treated and used as such by every one” (Kant Lectures on Ethics, 163)

 

Kant concluded that sex outside of monogamous marriage was wrong. He felt that the marriage contract ensured that people would be morally respected, and not just used for sexual purposes and discarded. And while I think we can all agree that Kant is a churchy priss, he is correct that we have a problem: especially when it comes to young men.

As a general rule, men mature physically faster than they do emotionally, with empathic skills still developing up to around age 30. An emotionally immature person tends to see themselves as the hero in a movie, where they are the only actor and everyone else is a minor player. A child only thinks of themselves; an adult will naturally appreciate and consider the interests of other people. Unfortunately many emotional children are also physically mature men in their teens and twenties… a big furry demographic.

Young men are more likely to consume pornography and fail to consider that real-life people are more than mere objects. Arguments for censorship of pornography are usually geared towards restricting access for young people, fearing that it reinforces the natural tendency towards self-centrism. It’s a reasonable argument, although not in line with modern thought, feminist or otherwise.

Nowadays, people accept that objectification can be pretty great, as long as it is done in a consensual fashion. Rather than requiring Kant’s marriage contract, people can choose to objectify or (be objectified) as they wish, as long as no enduring harm is done. This argument (which I have simplified) is one that is largely pro-pornography, pro-sex work, and sex positive.

So it is okay to depict rape or murder in furry pornography, tag it as N/C or vore so people know what to expect, while simultaneously agreeing that rape and murder are not things to be enjoyed outside of a fantasy context. And it’s okay to enjoy Doove’s hermaphroditic chakats while also treating intersex people with respect.

The issue becomes muddied when you consider furry characters. Furries like to play with identity, and it’s common for furs to have an avatar that diverges from biological reality. That might be as simple as a large penis, or more pertinently those furries who roleplay as hermaphrodites, and those as transgender-but-with-a-focus-on-genitalia.

Further, it’s common for representations of furry characters to be objectifying, a phenomenon not restricted to non-cisgender fursonas. It’s common for female transgender furry characters and also male cisgender characters to have overt genitalia. And that’s all good. The problem comes about because these fursonas refer back to real people, and our two groups of furries with enormous cocks—the women and the men—are treated differently.

Our cis male fur—let’s call him Starfox—tends to be given agency by default in human society and so his fursona’s sexuality is seen in that context. However our trans woman—let’s call her Krystal—is regularly fetishized and objectified in human society, a problem which might be reinforced by the sexuality of her fursona.

Krystal has a choice to make. She can choose to hide or understate her sexuality (which is bad), or she can choose to express it and risk reinforcing the perception that she is a sexual object first-and-foremost (which is bad). Starfox, despite having the same choice, doesn’t face the same consequences.

There is a balance to be struck between the freedom to explore sexual identity, and the requirement to treat culturally underprivileged people with respect and humanity. In general, and as always in such a situation, it is the privileged people who must change their behaviour.

This doesn’t mean that terms like dickgirl and cuntboy should always be off-limits. They are useful at times, such as categorizing pornography. It is a fact of life that many people enjoy pornography that depicts something that is biologically impossible or otherwise incompatible with real life, be it objectification or racism or weightism or sexism or non-consensual activities or chakats. There is nothing wrong with enjoying such fantasies.

There is, however, a need to consider those people who are negatively affected by such language, and sometimes this means taking active steps. Examples of good practice include use of appropriate trigger warnings ahead of non-consensual pornography, and the replacement of offensive terms like ‘dickgirl’ with alternatives like ‘futanari’. Where alternative words don’t exist, new ones can be coined—in discussions with people on this topic, a friend of mine with a cuntboy character who is uncomfortable with the terminology (but finds the porn totally hot) half-jokingly suggested switching to the satirical ‘vagentleman’.

There is a good example of the issues here over on a Weasyl journal written by Rampack. Rampack’s point is that troublesome words like shemale, cuntboy, herm et al should never be used. It’s a well-made argument but one that doesn’t leave space for those people who choose to play genuinely hermaphroditic characters, or want to find some totally hot cuntboy porn on e621. Once you pick away at those grey areas and edge cases, Rampack’s point can be seen as one against ignorance, where furries are using these terms without a proper understanding of how they can be damaging. Rampack’s intended target isn’t the responsible furry vagentleman, it’s the emotionally immature solipsist.

The conflict between the desire for sex-positivism and the desire to treat everyone with respect is not just a furry problem. It is a universal issue, and has been central to much of the growth and internal conflict in 20th century feminism. In all cases, the goal is to allow depictions of objectification in pornography, while reinforcing the requirement for any real life objectification to be consensual.

It’s a complex topic. Suggested relevant and further (lay) reading follows. (Kant does not appear.)

Feminist Perspectives on Objectification
Sexual Solipsism: Philosophical Essays on Pornography and Objectification
Enjoying the Problematic on our sister site Love Sex Fur

* this sentence corrected on 9 Dec 2014. It originally read “…women with male genitalia, or men with female genitalia”. Thanks to Lucian at genderterror.com.

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Dear Papabear,

I saw your website and you helping other furries on various kinds of situations - and i would like to ask if you could help me on this one.
I'm a 19 year old person who lives in Campo Grande (Brazil), i'm part of the furry community a few years and sometimes i watch videos of people going to FurCons to have fun or meet new people/furries in there. I always wanted to go into one of these, but somehow the country where i live rarely gets to host a furcon. So, the first thing i do need (which is very obvious, hah) is money to travel to the US (because english is the easiest language for me to speak) plus it seems like they host majority of FurCon events. However, even if i would need money, i'm sorta lost. I don't know top priorities i should be doing so i could go to a FurCon. I also have a little fear that, for being pratically not someone with alot of money, i wont get a fursuit without getting dosh first - but i'm scared that some people might mock me because of the lack of a fursuit. If you can help me find out my primary requirements to going into a FurCon, it'd be great!

Anonymous Person (19 from Brazil)

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Hi, Fellow Furry!

While there are furcons in other countries (such as Germany, Canada, Japan, and Australia), yes, the vast majority are in the United States. I have no idea what furry life is like in Brazil (interestingly, when I type in “furry Brazilians” in Google, I get sites about breast implants. What? LOL), but it sounds pretty sparse, so coming here for a visit does make sense. I’m glad to hear you are interested in doing that!

Before I continue, it might interest you that there is a very small furcon in São Paulo called Abado that is held during Carnival (http://abando.com.br/) that has about 80-100 attendees each year. You might give that a shot....

Anyway, you sound like you know just enough about furries to be dangerous, but not well informed :-) Like many people, you apparently believe that all furries have fursuits (or at least partials). This is likely because most videos you see online are of fursuiters, but this gives a misleading impression. The truth is, only about 1 in 5 furries own one. Even those who can afford a good suit often don’t get one because it takes a special kind of urge to go through all the discomfort of wearing a fursuit. Really good fursuiters also enjoy performing in them, and a lot of furries aren’t really into that, either.

So, get the notion that you need a fursuit out of your mind. You don’t. You don’t even need a fursona. What you DO need is a love of furry anthros. That’s it.

Getting that straight, we still have to discuss how to prepare for a furry convention. Let’s say you have enough money to travel to the United States, and you have your passport, etc. The next thing to do is choose which furcon to attend. A lot of furries might recommend Anthrocon in Pittsburgh because it’s the largest (about 5,000-6,000 attendees), but I wouldn’t suggest that for a newbee because it could be very overwhelming. Now, if you enjoy large crowds of people you don’t know and lots of confusion, then by all means, go for it. But I would suggest something more moderate in size (but not TOO small), such as Furry Fiesta in Dallas, Texas, or Biggest Little Furcon in Reno, Nevada, or Furry Weekend Atlanta in Georgia. These cons are large enough to have a good experience with a diverse crowd of around 2,000 furries, but not so large as to be overwhelming.

To prepare for a furcon, I recommend a couple things. If at all possible, go with one or more friends. That way, you’ll always have someone to hang out with to share the experience. Especially good if you have difficulty making new friends in foreign lands. Might not be an issue with you if you are gregarious. Next, after picking your con of choice, find out all you can about it. Go to their website and read all the rules and information there. Most furcon sites include rules about behavior at the con, which basically are common sense about acting civilized, not getting drunk, not bringing weapons, or disturbing other guests at the hotel or convention center. Also, as soon as it’s available, check out the program schedule online and select which forums and events you wish to attend.

If at all possible, bring money money money. You are gonna wanna shop in the Dealers’ Den and buy stuff, especially when it’s your first con. In addition, try to get a room with a small refrigerator and microwave oven; then, go to a nearby grocery store and buy food and drinks there. You will save a lot of money versus eating out all the time while at the con.

As early as possible, make a reservation at the main furcon hotel. Many cons have back-up hotels for overflow, but you’ll want to be in the center of the action, so stay at the main hotel.

Some of the larger cons have “party floors.” This is just what you might imagine, with a full floor being reserved for the kinds of furries who like to drink and party. I would not recommend this for you, especially since you’re an international visitor and also underage for drinking alcohol in this country.

Stick to attending organized events, such as stage shows, the forums, dances, and the fursuit parade. All of these are a blast and you will enjoy them a lot.

Be wary of “overly affectionate”furries who might invite you to their rooms. Furries have a reputation for being a bit oversexed, and it is not entirely undeserved. While most are cool, there is a noticeable minority who would probably very much enjoy taking an exotic young woman such as yourself upstairs and having some kinky fun. Don’t let yourself be pressured, and don’t go anywhere with someone you don’t know into a private room or other non-public area.

Again, most furries are cool and there will be many opportunities for you to make new friends if you leave yourself open to them.

I hope you are able to attend a con soon!

Bear Hugs,

Papabear