Furs to feature on TLC's 'My Strange Addiction' Jan 19
TLC's My Strange Addiction is to feature furries on an episode airing January 19. [DeoVacuus]
Kiira, an amateur fursuit builder, was paid $1500 for her appearance.
Producers of the show have been looking for furs since mid-2010, and also sought to buy fursuit photography. Other announced episodes cover sleeping with a blow-drier, eating toilet paper and thumb-sucking, while past seasons featured eating chalk and extreme tanning.
Many furs fear a repeat of The Tyra Banks Show, whose host presented furry as a sexual fetish.
My Strange Addiction claims to "[tell] the compelling stories of people who are battling obsessive behaviors on the verge of taking over their lives" and "[follow] addicts as they reveal their strange addictions and meet with psychological experts."
Kiira constructed fursuits for herself and her boyfriend for the show:
I said many times that it is just a hobby, not an addiction, but they said "Well take you anyways" So I had about a week to make two fursuits, and they just filmed me in various places and all. Even though my fursuits suck in the episode, I still got $1,500 and 15 minutes of fame, which is more than many can say.
Update (5 Jan): The furry episode of My Strange Addiction is expected to air at 9PM EST/8PM CET, with a repeat at 11PM. The 30-minute episode will also feature a person who eats couch cushions:
Lauren can't imagine going to a party or social event without wearing her fur suit. She's completely dedicated to her "fursona" - designing and sewing her costume well into the night. Meanwhile, Adele has been eating couch cushions for twenty years.
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God fucking dammit. :/
I wish flayrah had a "this" button.
...Hey I just had a idea there's still 16 days until the episode?
Let's troll the f*** out of TLC and that before they even have a chance of airing it?
Lets not. "Furries troll TLC" doesn't seem like positive publicity either.
You do realize that the majority of trolls are actually other furries right?
The only reason why tlc isn't getting trolled right now is cause wys died, faf is down, not sure if tdfb knows though.
No one can destroy TLC's credibility better the TLC themselves.
Think about it the only people obsessed with this show, has to be watching it to feel better about themselves, therefore credibility wouldn't matter cause they're just looking for something sensational.
If the producers of My Strange Addiction looked for those addicted to using money in order to stretch the truth though, they wouldn't have to search for show subjects as hard as they did for the furry show, they'd simply need a mirror.
When we were kids we stopped looking for monsters under the bed when we realized they were inside us.
My thoughts exactly.
@Taiyou: Your trolling (if you can even call it that) was lame. Stop embarrasing yourself and leave.
You know what? Fuck that. I welcome these events. I support her decision and I will be there to white knight for her when all of you assholes decide to go after her because she made a simple decision to get some easy money while throwing all of you under the bus at the same time. And your reactions are only feeding me. Seriously, you're feeding me by responding. Here I am, trolling you all by acting like I give a shit about all this and making it appear like I'm taking her side when I'm really just doing it for the lulz to see how many of you I can get riled up.
Wow, you faggots are lame. Have fun with Chewfox 2.0, douchebags.
Just because you go "lol I troll you" doesn't mean that you were trolling the whole time.
This may because it was two different people. Look at the posts far below.
*Facepaw*
Really?
We're doing this again? Mainstream media is not a good way of getting our name out there beacause T.V. networks know it's easy to demonize the fandom by saying we're a bunch of sex-crazed freaks.
Going on a show called "Strange addictions" to talk about the fandom is just asking for trouble.
You have got to be kidding, why did anyone think this was a good idea? Furry isn't an addiction, by appearing on a show like this regardless anyone who doesn't understand it is only going to assume that "furry" is a bad thing. *sigh*
I own the partial fursuit now...I love it :)
You ever notice how the furs that comment on these things are usually furs that don't stop to think about what is happening. If people misinterpret a show then that's their problem. You don't have to have everyone think you're wonderful. If the show is about one or two people then it isn't necessarily about the whole fandom, obviously but this seems to be overlooked. There is a large sexual component to the furry fandom, whether you like that or not, and it's not wrong to show that. It's a TV show, they do what gets ratings. You can't moan every time something is done that doesn't display the fandom exactly how you think it should be.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~
It's the whole fandom's problem if those who misinterpret it are the parents of the next great furry artist, the hotel managers for an upcoming furry convention, or the administrators at a local hospital where fursuiters visit sick children.
I'm willing to talk to just about everyone about the fandom - high school newspapers, fashion magazine writers, fetish sites, you name it. But I draw the line at helping people who clearly intend to drag the fandom into the dirt, just to get paid.
There's a big difference between making furs look bad, and earning four figures for it. At least Chew Fox thought she was doing something good for the fandom. Kiira has made it very clear (turn your sound down) that she's in this for the fame and the money.
Arguing against Rakuen is pointless cause he's the fandom's resident white knight, regardless of situation or anything he'll defend.
Actually it's not really. Most of that doesn't really have that much of an effect on the greater community or can be reasoned about one-on-one.
You can show your parents what you draw but let's say for example you were Blotch or Zaush, would you show your parents that art? As good as it is, and those are the most popular furry artists, they do porn. That wouldn't change their opinions from a sex piece.
If you are holding a convention then you can discuss that and use examples. There are plenty of large furry conventions that have long histories with the same hotels, or towns, which can vouch for them. In that case the sexual aspect is a minority.
A fursuiter at a hospital is constantly being watched. They aren't going to fool around with children or hand out yiffy pics.
Sure the show wants furs because they are strange and it will get ratings but that doesn't really matter. If anyone intelligent was watching the show they will see through it. In addition it's a show about people, it's not a documentary of the furry fandom. You don't see the teachers all up in arms over the chalk-eating episode.
If someone wants to earn some money doing an interview then let them. Unless they are saying things that make the fandom look bad then it isn't their fault. Also everyone moans about making the fandom look bad, making this seem more about appearances than truth. If they do a piece on fursuit sex then it might make the fandom look bad it's not telling a lie. Some furs are into that and it does happen.
Frankly I don't see this having any real effect. The only effect I know of of shows that have shown the furry fandom is that furs get all upset about it. After a week or so everyone else has moved on and forgotten about it.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~
Intelligent people watching the show aren't the ones we're worried about.. it's all the stupid ones. The stupid ones that blow things out of proportion, then get all the innocent bystanders in trouble. The stupid ones that are our bosses at our dead-end jobs that fire us because the saw something on tv about the convention we took time off for, so now they assume we're a bunch of crazy pedos in animal costumes. Or our stupid apartment managers that kick us out because they saw a special about furries and now they assume we screw our dogs. Or our mom's friend that got curious after hearing about people with your same hobby, so they look up furries on the internet and find 900 gigabytes of dogcock and show your mom and say "This is what your kid is actually in to".
Stupid people run the world.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
So how much of that is stuff that actually happens and how much is just worrying about what could happen? Stuff could go bad but you also don't need to lie about what does happen in the fandom. Maybe I just don't care cause I don't like stupid people that can't differentiate between a group and the individuals in the group.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~
Actually, some of that DOES happen. There are people who professionally wear animal costumes, some of which are even clean, G-rated fursuits of their own, at hospitals, store openings, sports-related events, etc. etc. Many of the costume companies, upon finding out that an employee is in fact a furry, often will fire them immediately, thanks to the negative media portrayal, and possibility of negative PR that could bring to the company should one of their employees act in a sexually criminal fashion.
So yes, it DOES happen. Furs HAVE lost their jobs over media exposure, and even over simple rumors proven true through Google searches. It's why furs that work in those fields tend to heavily hide their furry interests from employers and highly resent furry friends greeting them at work or talking or "outing" them as furry to fellow employees.
I beat most of this by telling people I'm a volunteer mascot and costume crafter. Leaving the word "furry" out seems to keep all the red flags in pockets. So far so good.
Lie? Sheltered life much? Things like this have, are and will continue to happen. Bad publicity adds to the frequency. You try explaining your place in the fandom to someone who's already built a solid concept about what it is based on said bad publicity or random pronz.. It usually doesn't end well. =/
In response to a show about addicts, all you have to do is understand what stupid people like and phrase it in a way they'd understand, like...
"Hey, you know there are people who are alchoholics right? I know you like to drink? Are you saying you're an alchoholic because you like to drink?"
Or
"Hey Terrel Owens is a football player who is a showoff and spotlight hog. Does that mean (Wide reciever from their favorite sports team) is also a poor sported player because he plays football as well?"
If you allow stupid people to get the upper-hand on identifying who you are as an intelligent person, then what does that truly make you? Stupid people should be easy to manipulate, you just gotta make your world connect with there's, like anything really.
I am thinking about hosting a viewing party locally for the show. There will be lots and lots and lots of whiskey. :P
I'm in.
Dammit, I wish I was close to where you lived.
Next time on "My Strange Obsession", we're taking to the core audience of the TLC show "My Strange Addiction" who seem to be obsessed with watching individuals with strange behavior, perhaps to comfort themselves into believing that they are normal, yet are addicted to searching for freaks...
Wow. Kiira sold her soul to the TV networks for $1500. I hear desperation for fame and glory in her statements.
Quote: "I still got $1,500 and 15 minutes of fame, which is more than many can say."
Seems like she's trying to say I should envy here because she has money and television time. If that truly is the currency under which she believes life to be valuable, I do not envy her. I pity her.
Essentially what I was getting at. She's desperate for fame and money, and now that the opportunity has presented itself, she sold out for 1500, and she's apparently quite proud of that.
You should always envy her. She's perfect and she will one day be my waifu. That's why I'm kinda being so overprotective of her and making you all out to seem like morally inferior and intellectually stunted individuals. All while putting myself on a pedestal at the same time.
I love my superiority complex, don't you?
So much trolling. So little time.
If you TRULY think you could do better, then do so. Otherwise? Shut the fuck up.
Nowhere did she say she was doing this to "Improve" the fandom's image. This is just for money, nothing more.
Deal with it and stop being such dramawhores. God damn furries. :/
The problem with challenging people to do better, is it assumes others have the same idea of what "better" means.
If it were just about money, there are probably plenty of furs that make much more than that doing their own thing, and possibly even some artist that get more for even doing less work. But they probably have other stuff to do than complain if they just cared just about money and fame, as this didn't cost them much.
Then you have those that think better means not selling out by being paid a small amount to be made fun of on national television, or those that think it is better to not profit by creating a minor source of annoyance for a group of people. In that case, not only do they think they could do better, but they already have done better by not being on the show or something similar.
Sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing at all...
When a show says. "We'll pay you money to be a BIT different then who you really are." this is one of those cases.
Perhaps TLC should change their show's name from "My Strange Addiction" to "Strange Things People will Claim if you Pay Them Money"
Makes me wonder how much they paid the blow dryer woman.
With this I have to agree. Perhaps the thing that bugs me most about the whole situation is that she left the fandom after the show was taped. I have to wonder what her motivations were and how "much" of a furry she truly was.
I did: They came to me, and I didn't take their money.
It really wasn't that hard.
I had something like this happen to me also, a shock jock wanted to interview me and his producer was mad at him cause I pretty much made him look like a fool cause it was live.
Moral of the story: "stay in school and go to college" cause my extracurricular speech class helped with that.
I know, right? It's like these damn furries can never get it through their thick heads that you're always right with no matter what you say. Jeez, reading this post was like I was reading something I wrote. It connected with me on a level I didn't think was possible until now.
Now now, regardless of all that, I can't blame her for prostrating her dignity for some quick and dirty money. I mean, for a working girl this is nothing. All she's doing is wasting a few hours on something trivial (licentiousness aside) and leaving with a months salary. And it's not just the money, think of the heart pumping adoration! She's going to be in front of thousands of people, milking their attention for all it's worth, fleeting as it is. Perhaps their leering eyes will provide her with the kind of company she seeks. However, the fame doesn't sate her, surely the easy, oh so easy, money will. But I must say, some would not treasure the kind of attention this kind of work gets. Even though does run the risk of being stripped of dignity, I'm sure she'll be able to console her self with material wealth. Even if the respect of her peers, family, and friends is debased, she will still have her money. Which only took a few hours of hands on work.
:3
I see what you did there.
I do not foresee a good result from this.
furry, an addiction? how about this TLC: being in fursuit from waking up to sleep, eating in them, going to work in them, & doing everything else in fursuit & furry related 24/7/365. now THATS an addiction.
Or someone trying to buy a crap load of commissions of their character when they can't afford it would work too.
"Or someone trying to buy a crap load of commissions of their character when they can't afford it would work too."
Perfect Candidate
Flawless victory.
Virtually any hobby, interest or activity can be an addiction for certain individuals, even if you apply a narrower definition of "addiction" that limits it to behavior that is harmful to oneself or others. So yes, it's possible to be addicted to furry fandom or some aspect thereof, just like it's possible to be addicted to alcohol, television sports, or what have you. Many people partake of these things to a reasonable and moderate degree without it being an addiction.
They might do a show about some guy with an addictive, obsessive interest in his model railroading hobby, but most people have enough awareness of that hobby to know that any of his more extreme, addictive behavior does not reflect on the hobby as a whole and everyone who participates in it, and the producers of the show probably realize they couldn't get away with portraying it as if it does. Furry fandom is less well known to the general public, so it would be easier for someone to get away with portraying it in this way. That is the real danger.
Absolutely, just because people get addicted to alcohol doesn't make everyone who drinks an alcoholic.
Loving the one star.
People don't like hearing the truth, I guess.
"So much trolling. So little time."
No no, I'm betting it's more of a case of Troll better or lurk 'moar'.
Taiyou, I saw your comments. And let me say, you have my praise. <3
Yes yes! Another "search for the naive furry to be on T.V." bandwaggon. These guys never get bored with this do they?
I just hope she knows what shes getting into. Chew Fox may have had good intentions but she still got a slap on the face (and a lot harassment on her page) for failing to present herself - and the fandom - in a proper way. Her reputation is ruined and shes still in withdrawn. Its a sensitive issue [to most] that needs to be dealt with caution. It only takes a small spark to burn a town into anger.
From the sound of having $1,500 more stuffed into your pocket and promise of fame on TV, I think Ill say that we wouldn't be getting an oscar worthy performance here. She better defend herself with all the gizmos shes got in there. But then who knows what will happen? How much would you be willing to degrade the fandom you belong with for that sum of money?
The proper way?
She was tasked with giving a picture of the subculture that could fit inside a sound bite. She managed to be honest about it, too. None of that Uncle Kage BS.
And don't even start about "degrading the "fandom"" when we all know damn well that there's plenty of individuals doing an extremely good job of that without ever coming near a television camera.
Chewfox lost my support when she left the high road and went for the LULZ afterwards.
She should have stayed honest and true to her vision and intent. But instead, she tried to make light of it by taunting other people. Her t-shirt incident, taunting Dragoneer, is well documented.
If you're gonna take a walk through a swamp, you don't get out of it by swimming down.
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It really was unfortunate because it was Tyra Banks, not Chew Fox, who claimed that furries were about having sex dressed as cartoon animals. Not once, but twice, before Chew fox was even allowed to say one word.
But, it's not like they designed the death star to look nonoperational, it's pretty easy to tell when the show's a trap.
At least Groat had the good sense to not talk about furry fandom when he was on the news for going thru people's garbage.
Also, what Groat was "going through" wasn't garbage. He lives in a college town, and at the end of the spring semester, the students throw out everything they don't wanna take home. Chairs, tables, televisions, DVD players, games, computers...you name it. I wouldn't classify that in the same category as coffee grounds and bacon grease.
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Aw hell no, thats prime dumpster diving.
I filled my apartment with those rich brat's tossed away furniture.
I got a brand new dyson vacuum! A $500 vacuum because they just didn't want it any longer.
sounds like greenreaper has a massive grudge
Too bad they couldn't have had Aetobatus on the show. His fursuits are the best in the fandom. And he's a very stable, very cool guy, too.
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"Many furs fear a reprisal of The Tyra Banks Show, whose host presented furry as a sexual fetish."
Which it is. Please explain what is so utterly awful about this.
Because to a lot of people it isn't. And even if it is, you should NEVER tell that to the media. If you have to lie to the media, FUCK IT! LIE TO THEM! Nothing is worse than a member of the media getting a hold of a juicy little story about freaks that have sex dressed as cartoon animals. They would much rather report on that than report on what the fandom actually is. I will admit that to some people it is just a fetish, but to most of the fandom it is more than that or not that at all.
Here, I'm going to counter your trolling with a limerick. Mostly because I'm bored. Partially because your troll-fu is weak.
An ugly sad troll will mew
His points so tiny and few
But he does know small
Built like a ken doll
So bugger a dog you zoo
Please. Seek help. Help for your selves, help for others. Troll better, or don't troll at all. If trolling doesn't suit you, consider taking up snark, or contributing to an article! Or consider silence, which is golden.
Also. To address your *shudder* statement. Furry is not all about the yiff yaff.
There are websites like Artspots. Check out their Rules here. An art site. For artists. With out all the horrorterror of fa.
And I have like a million links to nonsexual furry nerd crap so don't even get me started.
It's my fetish.
Wait.
STILL LIVING/FIGHTING IN NINETIES
I'll grant you that furry crap doesn't always have to be explicitly sexual (there are such things as non-sexual fetishes, and furry certainly occupies both ends of the spectrum), but come on. The porn runs the damn show. The sexual aspect pays the bills. There's no sense in shooting the messenger, we all know this to be true. We'd be a hell of a lot better off if the last vestiges of 90s-era denial were to be cast off and we focused on how to SAFELY deal with the sexual aspect.
I was one of those furries from the 90's. You're right.. we need to stop living back then, and embrace furry as the sad f$@%fest it has become.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
I WANNA PARTY LIKE IT'S NINETEEN NINETY NINE
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Sorry, but I'm just not convinced that it's a sea of spooge. I could just be living the dream, man.
But I do agree with you, I wish there was more of a discourse on how to handle furry sexuality... whats the word I'm looking for here. Rationally? Discreetly? sensibly? Normally? I'll go with safely I guess.
Shit, the Anime fandom has porn that's arguably as bad if not worse then ours, but all of the anime nerds I know keep that shit out of public eye. (classic early 2000 whining here) Maybe furs should give furry porn it's own name like hentai. We could call it hen tie. Get it ahahah shut up.
I'm stupid tired. So, I'm not quiet sure all of this is making sense anymore, or ever.
To TD;LR and sum it up, you bugger dogs. I'm pretty sure that's what I was getting at.
You're living the dream, and I can't unsee what I've seen.
But yeah, I totally know what you're saying. I was hardcore into the anime fandom too. People used to joke about us watching "weird Chinese porno cartoons", but that blew over fast.
Also, LOL @ hen tie. That was horrible.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
what
Even Artspots had a porn version of their site. I think it was/is called Yiffit?
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
Oh really? You'll be like the anti- Santa Claus if that's true.
Wait, there was that one German thing. You might be that.
Naw, I ain't that German devil dude, but Hiss-hiss, Merry Christmas. >:3
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Furspots
This is something stating they were/are going to make a site that combined Artspots and Yiffit(which became known as Blue Taboo later on). Sorry, dude. It broke my heart when I figured everything out back then, too.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
It says that Furspots intends to "integrate" with other sites. That's likely to mean something like sharing login details or incorporating art from them on its own pages. It also doesn't guarantee that the sites mentioned actually know of or approve such plans. (I could plan Facebook integration for Flayrah, for example.)
The "porn version" was Blue Taboo/Yiffit and Furverts, which were equivalent to ArtSpots and JaxPad respectively. They used the same codebase but licensed to Inaki - there was no other connection that I'm aware of.
Lol Godwin's law!
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b/b2/Slowpoke.gif
hey guys, I have a great idea -- let's all collectively overreact and harass the person who decided to let the media shine another well-deserved spotlight on the furry fandom, irregardless of circumstance ! Even more paranoia will definitely improve our image in the mainstream media.
Moreover, to a certain viridian liason and fandom whitewasher: Producers do their homework, so don't think that telling people what what you want them to hear in an interview is going to help anyone from being "misinterpreted" or misunderstood. Looking or sounding like there's something to hide when there is a clear and obvious component of the fandom which is family-unfriendly (which is like, the majority of it) is going to set off some red flags, and by not discussing them in a frank and serious manner like an adult, it leaves the interpretation of the narrative mainly up to whoever's spinning the yarn.
You seem to be under a misconception that My Strange Addiction is TLC's version of 60 Minutes.
This is an entertainment show, with a set plot. All they needed was an actor to play the part of addict.
There is no point in participating in such a show unless, like Kiira, you hunger for fame and fortune.
I'm officially giving up on being outspoken about how furry isn't really how it's portrayed on TV. Thanks to all those TV shows, all the freaks showed up looking for the action that used to not be prominent here. Since furry is such the welcome wagon, now we're chock full of pedo-zoos and other sick and twisted behavior. It can't be denied, either. Look at all the people on Dragoneer's banlist, for example, or the people pimping out their dogs at conventions or parties.
When I officially "joined up", I could safely say it was about "embracing my inner-animal"(which Chewfox got bitched out for saying!!), and escaping into becoming my fursuit characters, and doing the art thing with other like-minded artists. Tinysex and spooge art were novelties, not staple. People weren't angrily passing out AIDS like flyers, and you didn't hear about public "tasting parties" (Show Your Sheath).
That's right, you can't deny any of it. Moreover, you all know who I'm talking about. Sad, huh?
This whole shabang coulda stayed family friendly, but furries do NOT know where to draw the line. Ever.
Now it's a sick, sad cockstravaganza with a minor area being family friendly.
...and I'm not saying I'm any better than anyone else. I got my dirt, just like everyone. The only difference is, some of you without social skills chose to wear your kinks on your sleeve and shout proudly about your bizarre bedroom behavior in public, saying it was all in the name of furry--when the rest of us were just sitting around drawing stupid cartoon foxes, or go-karting in cute mascot suits when the public was watching.
in b4 "collecting model trains"
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
"I'm officially giving up on being outspoken about how furry isn't really how it's portrayed on TV."
How about officially giving up on telling those kids to get off your lawn?
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Get off my lawn, and stop pooping in my flowerbed.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
IM IN UR FLWRBEDZ DIGGIN UR BULBZ!!!!1101
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I'm mad because I laughed at that.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
I love all the people trying to say how "pure" the furry fandom was back in Ye Goode Olde Days.
Please. I was there in those good old days, and lemme tell ya, things were just as fun back then as they are today. My very first convention, Albany Anthrocon 98, was my first exposure to...
1. Roleplaying with a girl for over 2 years, only to find out she was a he. (Short, fat, no teeth)
2. Keeping an open mind about it and still roleplaying with them in the muck room, only to be told by everyone else that we should log off and go to our rooms.
3. PORN! Acres and acres of porn! *bounce-bounce-bounce*
In the delightful decades that followed, I learned more about the world of fetishes, safe sex and fun than I ever could anywhere else outside of a scary BDSM bar where you'd get passed around like a ketchup bottle and slapped just as much.
Come on, we're human. Humans love sex. If they didn't, we wouldn't be here!
I am so tired of the repression and Christian-values boolship that have been ganking us for the last 1980 years since Christ died and a bunch of stinky-crotched old farts hijacked His message of loving each other.
I'm not saying we should go back to the alleged days of Sodom & Gomorrah-who were written about by those very same stinky-crotched old farts I should point out-but let's be a little more chill about such things.
Sex is part of our humanity!
Accept it, embrace it, GUIDE IT in safe, healthy, happy directions.
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I'm not denying that stuff was going on. Not saying sex is evil! I love it just as much as everyone else. But come on, do you think everyone wants to see your cartoon dog dick when they first meet you? There's a matter of common decency that everyone seems to overlook...
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
Actually the fandom did start out pure, it's just the late 70's the porn started.
The flaw in this "things were much better before" argument that you're making, Katty, is that it's precisely the same argument old farts who got into the fandom around the time I did (1987-88) were making in the '90s when you said you got in. The new kids with all their focus on sex and their bad social skills and their lack of temperance were ruining everything! Everything, I say! I'm quitting the fandom forever!
What I'd argue was the first recognizably furry, as opposed to toony animal, comic was the first appearance of "Omaha the Cat-Dancer" in an underground comic book called "Bizarre Sex," and it appeared there in the early '80s. It's also worth noting that Omaha was nominated for multiple Eisner awards and was praised as one of the best comic books being published at the time by Harlan Ellison. Sex has always been part and parcel of furry -- but so has some really, really good stuff. And it's not infrequent for the good stuff and the sexy stuff to be the same stuff.
I'd argue that the main change the media attention that started this decade has wrought on the fandom has been greatly shifting the focus to exactly what the media has been focusing on: costuming. (I don't recall ever hearing the word "fursuit" for at least the first decade of my time in furrydom.) As a writer I'm not entirely thrilled with this, but then again I've had people tell me that nobody reads in furry fandom and it's visual and blah blah blah for over two decades now. That's simply not true, just like it's simply not true that all furries are interested in having sex in fursuits.
But the point is, the "whole shabang" has never been family friendly, but parts of it always have been. And still are. There are people who don't know "where to draw the line" in the fandom, but again, that has always been true (I won't repeat some of the stories from 20 years ago, but a couple of them are doozies, trust me). But that isn't a problem with them being furries, it's a problem with them being attention-seeking idiots. The intersection of "attention-seeking idiot" and "furry" will always cause problems, but it's not a problem that can be controlled for.
The most exasperating thing in this interminable discussion -- it's been running since before at least half of the current furry fandom was born -- is the failure to recognize that there is only one way to combat bad press about furries: for more people to provide good press about furries. There is no way to silence attention-seeking idiots. What we need are other voices.
— Chipotle
What we need are other voices.
What we need are other voices who are willing to put up with the abuse of the naysayers, and possess the maturity to deflect the criticism in a constructive manner.
"They can't get your goat if your goat ain't there to get got!"
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It not quite what chewfox said, it's where she decided to say it. She went on a show that was going to paint her a certain way, even though I thought she did alright, whatever she said didn't matter, because on shows like Tyra Banks the audience is going to be behind the host's interpretation over the guest's.
Tyra defined furries as people who have sex dressed as cartoon animals before Chewfox even got to say "Hello". So am I surprised that people put the word of the host onto the guest themselves? No. Should they have? Depends on how well hidden Tyra's agenda was and seeing the topic of the show was announced as a show of strange bedroom behavior, the motive wasn't hidden at all.
dude, no one "pimps out their dogs" at parties.
I am in the same boat as well. I basically retired from furry after only two years for the same reason. Due to the bad portrayal in the media, tons of sexed up people arrived for the orgy they thought it was, found each other and basically used the furry club house as their shag house.
I came to the fandom and enjoyed talking to some intelligent people and doing art with other likeminded individuals. Now that furry basically has become what people used to just think it was, there is no room for any real intelligence or art.
If any furries don't like this they need to just try to start a separate fandom somehow because the furry ship long since sailed and is too rat infested to survive the journey to where it was going or the trip back.
One word- EDITORS.
It's the editors that make people see what they want them to see. In the Tyra Banks fiasco, what was shown on TV was NOT how it went in the studio. It's clever editing that makes us look bad, only showing what they want the world to see, and not our explanations of what we really are.
That's how it happens EVERY time.
I'm not spiteful, I'm Katty!
Actually, I'm an editor. :C
Yeah, some editors do some shitty stuff with it, but it's not solely on them. Directors, producers, writers and so on down the line help shape this and ask for sensationalism. Filmmaking is not a one man show.
THAT SAID. People need to just not fucking do this shit in the first place. It's clear from the start this it is going to be made into something sensationalist, so why try to go in there fighting it in the first place? Unless you're pretty knowledgeable about how to combat some of the manipulative techniques, you're going to get sliced and diced into a nice little fantastic commercial package ready made to grab the lowest common denominators' attention. This person in particular disgusts me for the fact that she seems to have known exactly what she was doing, did not believe one bit of the things they are going to say about the fandom and then went ahead and did it for a month of bills being paid anyway. I hope she enjoys her eternal tag as another furry Judas.
And in my defense, I try to never put words in people's mouths when I have to cut up interviews.
Editors, killing the media since 1932.
Someone should clear this all up in a youtube video and make it popular.
No one can edit that :P
Y'know? I think I can sum this whole thing up in three words.
Deal with it.
I agree with this statement. sex is a part of being an animal, and i don't care if you have higher brain functions or not, we are all animals, we where conceived sexually, sex falls just under food and shelter on the basic wants for most of us. to deny this is to deny being a creature inhabiting this planet. There is a cretin lack of social grace found in the fandom but most of the people in it where marginalized or just outright shunned by society in general so what do you expect to find here? well adjusted people? if so your sooooo barking up the wrong tree... or pissing on it, take your pick.
Wait, furries are societal misfits BEFORE becoming furry, I thought that title didn't get placed on them until AFTER they became one, lol.
As Morphicon conchair I was approached by the people producing this documentary, and to quote from an e-mail they said "The program operates as a documentary-style “week-in-the-life-of” people with hobbies that are bordering on obsessions, or odd or unheard of addictions. The program will explore stories in a non-exploitative manner, looking at how a person’s behaviors affect his or her life, as well as the lives of family and friends. I am reaching out to you to ask if you know of any people who participate or live as furries that could fall into the category of an uncontrollable hobby or activity?"
I told them I don't know any furries that qualify for what they want.
So, take their e-mail as you will. Hopefully whatever they put out will be reflective of the fact that furry is eccentric, but not an obsessive disorder (or at least it isn't for most furs).
I will agree, some of us are too addicted to this stuff. I have seen some example in which I would say it is an addiction to some. However, as I said on my Furaffinity journal, if this is an addiction to her I'm not going to fund her habits, so she isn't going to ever have me as a customer.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5031223/
Really? Really now?
Never has a ban been more deserved.
Omg, it's deo, you really want deo banned?!
Deo getting banned would incite a angry mob calling for the banner's head.
Parody is protected speech.
Defnitiely ban that shit for violating the AUP and TOS. Then again, it probably won't happen, since the admins encourage things like that. FA is a cesspool, nothing more.
Or people don't bother sending professionally laid out notes to the admins pointing out exactly how this breaks AUP or TOS. Point out the line I'll write them myself, after warning the poster that I am reporting them of course to give them a chance to correct the action.
Very true.
I really wish someone would DDoS the hell out of that site.
DDoS, prove that people who are good in tech believe Net Neutrality is a good thing...
Apparently the post in question was removed. Guess it wasn't too hard.
I love how everyone's saying this is a new Chewfox. No. It isn't. Chewfox did that to "improve" the fandom's image. Kiira is not. She's only doing it for the money.
Christ if you people weren't so retarded and learned to READ, then we wouldn't be having this problem.
hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husband cuz they're rapin errbody out here
Damn, furries, chill out. Damn, real people, chill out. Care about something important.
I'm gonna make this as simple as possible.
Unless it PERSONALLY affects you, and it affects your day to day life, fuck off and leave her alone. Simple?
As for what Deo did, that's just inexcusable. I would love to see a ban for that. (But hey, it's FA. They allow all kinds of shit to get past the radar all the time.)
At this point, I would ask you to take your own advise.
Though I could be wrong. I think this effects you in your day just as much as it does anyone else here, correct?
You're commenting on this article more then I have in many article in general... so I'm wonder why you're so upset over this.
umad?
Nah, curious, which only if I were a cat would that be madness, for it would lead to my downfall.
Oh by the way -
Deo's pic was deleted. :D
I consider this a victory. Why? Because I'm a little faggot that believes that the removal of an image is as great of an accomplishment of doing something worthwhile away from this God-forsaken place we call the internet.
PEACE OUT, BITCHES.
Hypocrite much? Really, you first support the show, wanting the information to be shown, and then you cherish the removal of a picture, which can be considered information. I hate it when people are like this. Though, to be fair, your unintentional trolling is more successful than all the previous posts combined. Here are some pointers on how to troll: sound intelligent and stay under the radar. You will sound like a normal human being and not a whiny, angst-ridden teenager.
Cool story bro.
Greatest post.
Once agan you prove my point. If all you can rely on is memes, then you're unoriginal. It's been done to death. You're acting like a poser, really. It's embarrassing. So please, show some originality.
WITCH HUNT TIME!
A witch a witch!!! Burn her!!! Burn her!!!
My mom watches that show. Though she already knows I wear "costumes," and thinks I care about it a little too much, I hope this show will be impartial. If it shows the fandom as a whole (except the fringe stuff)and shows how large it is, then maybe it won't be so weird. Since my mom tends to point out anything that has to do with animal costumes, I'm sure I will hear ALL about this after I go back to college in a few days. Who knows? Maybe this will change her opinion for the better.
I don't know how much your mom knows, but I would suggest broaching the subject of an idiot airing and mis-representing the fandom, to the anger of everybody else. This WONT show it in a good or educating light- just look at the name of the show. At least pre-mentioning it may cushion her against misunderstanding.
I've never fursuited in public though, I've only volunteered as the mascot for various organizations. If fursuiting could be connected to helping the community or at least playing a character, maybe it would be better accepted in the mainstream. I don't get it though. Why do we hear about fursuit controversy so much but not from other fandoms with people wearing costumes? Really, I don't see much a difference between anime, sci-fi, comic books, and furry. So why mostly furry?
Maybe it's because to most outsiders of the fandom, furry is just seen as being too close to bestiality.
It's cause zootube thinks bestiality is furry, therefore outsiders assume that zootube members are furries.
Pretty much all real zoophiles in the furry fandom comes from that website actually.
If that website ever went down we'd see the end of bestiality in the fandom for the most part.
I live in that world, and am openly furry, ie, if someone asks about furry I'll tell them about it and I refuse to deny I am one. And I've noticed most people either know nothing about the fandom, or realize what they know is coming from disreputable people only after ratings and are genuinely curious as to what it's actually about. and even the ones that think furrys are a bunch of pedozoo freaks will judge you on who you are rather then the group. Most people have learned the lesson because of things like racism and homophobia that the popular conception is a collection of all the negative traits and that most people in the group may show one or 2 of the traits, but in general are as normal as themselves. and face it, humans are all deviant in there own way.
I applaud all furries for giving opportunities like this their best shot. Every event is going to rub some furs the wrong way so I say that you do what you feel you need to do and we'll just have to live with it. There is NO hierarchy in the fandom and no one has any authority to tell you not to do something you think sounds fun. People who wanna complain about the Tyra show and Chewfox are retards. Not only was that not that bad of a TV spot, but who the fuck important watches Tyra anyway. Its just another event for furries only to keep alive and keep replaying it. No one else outside of the furry fandom will even remember that episode and furries weren't even the feature of that episode anyway.
As for My Strange Addiction, it will make furries look weird most likely and that's ok. Furries need to quit trying to make this fandom fit in with society. The point of conventions and furry events is to escape society.
Just wait. The Jerry Springer Show was putting out a lot of casting calls for furries last year. Surely someone took him up on it.
Furries on Jerry Springer...will it be about a guy getting unreasonably angry and violent because his wife accidentally threw out is zines, or will they talk about problems in the bedroom? What's next? Dr. Phil?
There being no hierarchy also means people can't bitch about others if they don't want to either. In fact furries are very independant individuals, thus why you get drama.
Actually that can be said of the human species in general.
As the one character on Mass Effect 2 said. "Humans fascinate me, you can have 3 humans in a room and they'll have six different opinions."
I see we're stealing someone's name to make them look bad.
Some people are just really, really sad.
If you would like to actually register an account, be my guest.
And done.
So if anyone else comments with this name, it ain't me. You lose. :D
But if he's registered, how can he be your guest? He's no longer a guest...
I see what you did there.
The schedule has been published: also featuring in this episode is someone who has eaten couch cushions for 20 years.
This is where a "And now for something completely different" scene would work wonders.
How is furry in any way as obsessive and destructive as that? I mean eating couch cushions? It sounds like something from Monty Python. The next episode covers someone eating household cleanser and over-tanning. This kind of stuff is physically harmful. I just don't see furry as big of a deal as the others. Its out of place. It should be on a show talking about nerd culture, with trekkies and anime fans. If it comes up as portraying furries as nerdy and silly, I'll be fine with that. It's nerd culture. It's all a little silly, but it's fun too.
The description makes the outcome of this episode seem like what we all expected would happen.
"Lauren can't imagine going to a party or social event without wearing her fur suit. She's completely dedicated to her "fursona" - designing and sewing her costume well into the night. Meanwhile, Adele has been eating couch cushions for twenty years."
The summary of the episode makes me think that many people were right about this. They're focusing on the "furry addict" a lot more than the couch eater. That paired with the fact that you said they offered you this part too makes me think they were just waiting for someone with delusions of grandeur large enough to jump all over this.
Also, they are planning to use her real name for this? Lauren's getting labeled as a furry addict in front of the entire nation? I'd feel bad for her, but I can't bring myself to. She brought all of this on herself, so I'm just going to sit back and watch it all happen.
More like someone who has eaten couch cushions for 20 minutes for 20 days salary.
funny thing... looking at their schedule... it's ALL trash and dramz. wedding freakout! baby freakout! wedding freakout! baby freakout! furry freakout! pica freakout! etc!!!
I do agree that better, well thought out publicity is MUCH preferable. and I would also say, "consider the source". which is actually a good reminder to give people if they ask about a tabloidey impression of furry!
many people actually do eat crap like that up, and there is no good reason to participate in tabloid media, ever.
there is a reason they had to offer such a large bribe. promotion really only does you any good when it is a reputable source!
Lauren has obviously made a poor choice of venue, and has apparently not been shy about her motivations for doing so.
she's young, etc etc.
wevs. there is always going to be someone who puts money or fame/notoriety ahead of the interests of the community... or who is so flattered to be asked to be on TV that they don't even really think about the ramifications. media-savvy people speak in soundbites for a reason - because it is a LOT harder to edit their words into a presentation that is vastly different than what was intended. rambling is the best way to be taken out of context, especially on tv. there is also such a thing as an overshare! (not from the perspective of the tabs, of course but in general. if you wouldn't say it to your mom in front of all of her friends...)
incidentally, I'm giving a panel on how to talk about the furry subculture to non-participants on Saturday at FC - for the 4th time! this is NOT media training, but rather a practical session on how to talk to friends, coworkers or rellies who are curious.
one of our most popular topics is how to respond to people whose only impression of furry is some sort of trash media. it's not impossible, but it does require not getting defensive about it, and thinking (preferably ahead of time!) about how best to present your truth.
"some/many/most" is also a useful concept... as in, *some* furs take part in "those kind of parties" (although they are private and you will never see one unless you are invited). *many* furs like to wear costumes or furry accessories, and *most* furs enjoy anthropomorphic movies such as Ratatouille, or Bugs Bunny cartoons. so you can show that there are different aspects and that it means different things to different people, while breaking down the OMG IT'S ALL A BIG ORGY IN THE HOTEL LOBBY (as if the Fairmont - or any hotel - would allow THAT) stereotype.
as someone else has mentioned, reminding folks that EVERYthing on TV is staged and fictional helps too... do you REALLY believe *everything* you see on tv?! ;-)
there is always going to be another naive noobie coming down the pike; and there will always be trash media, waiting to exploit whatever it can get its grubby paws on. so, learning how to explain and debunk comes in handy. best of all: the truth is on our side!
it's really late here and I should get to bed, but come to our panel on Saturday at FC! we will talk about this and many other aspects of demystifying furry. it's called Venturing Out of the Den - Coming Out as Furry and the whole point is to provide communication tools and skills for answering the kind of questions that folks have when they've never heard of it, or after being exposed to trash media. I believe that hiding who we are only adds fuel to the bigots' fire, and that coming out is a powerful, magical thing to do! ;-)
oh hai. I don't know why I'm not logged in for this, but this is M from Bunnywarez... and we really are doing a panel on coming out as furry at FC, for the fourth time!
if there is interest, I would be glad to post more on the topic here, but right now it is late and I'd really better go to beds. so, let me know!
Me and my mom(who is also a furry as of MFF 2010)are going to watch this together. It's a shame that people don't know how to show respect for how others do things. ;w;
*sigh*
But it shouldn't be that bad. It'd be worse if it is to be portrayed as a sexual fetish.
Uh I'm starting to get a little worried now. I don't know if this is true, but someone said this on her FA page:
"So you posted furry porn on youtube as a means of saying how awesome you are that you went on tv to promote the wonderful sparkly furry fandom?"
Also, her youtube channel is gone now. If she is willing to post this stuff on youtube, would she talk about this stuff on television? Oh God I hope not.
It's hopefully not something you need to worry about. In the conversation I had with her on Youtube, she told me that the episode had already been filmed and that she hadn't given them anything negative. Just some footage of her building a suit, playing with kids while wearing the suit and some other harmless stuff. So, who knows, things might turn out better than expected.
Although, the editors are who it's all up to now. Kiira may be lying to us as well, just to try and keep the fandom off of her back for as long as she can. We'll just have to wait and see.
I know of someone else who was filmed "having harmless fun entertaining kids at a park" like she claims she was. The editors took it and edited it to say he was a pedophile. He was no longer welcomed anywhere near the area. Granted it was the news and not a tv show that did it, but still. Something like that could very easily happen in a situation like this.
Her YouTube channel is gone because it became link-of-the-week on every troll-site on the net. I would imagine her inbox became unmanageable after half a day. >|P
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Good thing I saved the conversation we had, cause she's so easy to get to contradict herself it was almost comical.
Seriously, I think Sarah Palin could have provided better answers and counters...
That's...scary. Well the only destructive thing to come out of this will be ostracism, towards her of course. And only she will see it as destructive. She's dug her own grave for a measly $1500. You can't pay all your bills and rent with that these days, unless you're very frugal. She doesn't seem like one of those people. Oh well. Nice to know you Kiira! Bye!!!
Jesus Christ what is wrong with some of you people?
FA users are trying waaaaay too hard to be /b/tards.
God forbid you guys have a laugh about this. It's one thing. Deal with it and move on. "Omg the fandom is ruined FOREVER!" Really? After seeing all the bullshit on Youtube and FA, you seem to be doing that yourselves.
Personally, I love seeing these people lose their $#!+ and go storming off out the door.
G'bye! G'bye! G'bye! Don't fly with us again! Please slam your tail in the door on the way out, we need more LULZ!
The remaining folks are all the COOL people.
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Oh look, it's this argument again.
How would you know what's going on at FA? Didn't you leave a month ago because "FA's gone down the drain." or am I mistaken? Furthermore, someone who had only been on FA since 9-5-2010 really has no clue of if FA went down the drain or not.
We are having a laugh. A laugh at you for trying to inadvertently protect her as well as laughing at her for not caring to the point of DELETING FUCKING EVERYTHING. She had more holes in her story than a brick of swiss cheese blasted by a round of 12 gauge buckshot. How could anyone with a logical mind not laugh at that?
The "bullshit on Youtube and FA" isn't exactly going to be brought into the public eye of the nation. FA is only used by furs, or those just there for the porn, so I don't see how inter-fandom hate is going to ruin the outside world's perception of the fandom. The Youtube hate is the same thing, just with furries on youtube. Nobody else is going to care about it before it airs except for furries, so there's still no ruining of the fandom to the outside world.
Wait so she's claiming she's not a furry anymore?
That's awesome, becuase TLC is going to air a person who is not furry is a furry to the world, and she'll never be rid of the label now even if she wants to be.
Guess she sold her freedom for the 1,500 dollars.
This is her "helping" the fandom. In her own "special" way.
She keeps trying to edit information out of her Wikifur page, too. She doesn't want anyone to know that she goes to Moraine Valley Community College or that she got paid the $1500.
Haha it's finally catching up to her. Just you wait. She will be calling TLC to take her segment off the air. She will give back the money, TLC will keep it, but still run the show. She might even try legal action, if she even knows what is grounds for lawsuit. It's like Icarus. She flew too close to the sun, and now she's drowning. Moral of the story: don't over-reach your bounds and show some presence of brain activity. She did it to herself. She's screwed.
Holy hell. You all think she cares that much? She doesn't. She's away at college, no one cares about it. It's kinda funny how much you think this is killing her. She's still the same old person I know and love. This hasn't done a thing to her. We're having a get together when the show airs, and once it's done, it's done. We'll all say "Well that was funny" and go on with our lives. She's not screwed. It's not catching up to her. she's not going to call TLC to not air it. You all are so funny xD You all play out these scenarios in your heads, but really, it's just so simple. No one cares.
>We really just don't care.
>Seriously, we don't care.
>Look at how much we don't care.
>Do you see how much we don't care?
>Notice how we're coming to you to tell you just how much we don't care? It's because we don't care.
>Seriously though, we don't care.
>We're leaving now because we don't care.
>But we'll be back, just in case you start thinking we don't care.
>Remember, we don't care.
Um.. how does one drown by flying too close to the sun?
Please tell me you're joking, otherwise, how could you have never heard the story of Icarus?
Because I went to an American school probably. Though I am now curious since water is the last thing I'd expect to see near the sun.
In short, two guys get thrown in prison, they have the brilliant idea to make wings out of feathers and wax. Icarus loved his ability to fly, and as they were crossing the sea, Icarus flew too close to the sun, the wax melted, and he plummeted into the water below.
The End
Fun story.
I thought it was colder the higher up in elevation you went? Guess the story was after we knew heat came from the sun, but before we knew of elevation's effects on temperature.
Judging by name alone, and that fact, probably Greek.
You're correct, I forgot to mention that part. :P To go back to the topic, I saw the commercial, and it looks to me like it will be the thing that people watch and say, "Hmm, that was strange... on to the cushion lady!" I haven't seen the real thing though.
That story is a part of the Greek mythology, so you are right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus
So what if she got money? And she actually doesn't go to Moraine anymore. She has been at a different school for a whole semester already. Research before you post. And who cares if she got paid? I get paid a shitty $9.75 an hour for my job. Go ahead and post that everywhere. You seem to enjoy doing it.
You know, for people who really don't care about all of this, you sure do keep popping up to try and defend your little attention whore.
Why should he take your word for where she goes to college? Why should any of us trust what you have to say? For all we know, you could be trying to feed us a bullshit sandwich of lies and deceit to cover Lauren's tracks.
AND HEY, THIS PERSON MAKES $9.75 AN HOUR. AND SHE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BEING SHITTY. People where I live work for $2.50 less than that and have a whole lot more to pay for, so shut your spoiled little whore mouth and be grateful that you're almost making $10 an hour. Greedy little cunt.
you know, the sad thing is that you actually do have a point here, but burying it in hate speech makes everything you say negative and stupid. :-(
SCKS2BU
yay!!!
When someone's closed their account due to harassment that you had a part in, you're a loser. :D
Oh, and no life, too. Don't you people have anything better to do? Like fapping to your porn?
All I see is a case of someone wishing for something they didn't want.
She wanted to be in the spotlight and have fame, she got everything that goes with it.
As even the not so infamous furries who are in the spotlight: Kage, 2, GreenReaper, Dragoneer. They get snarky, heavy-handed snowballs thrown at them all the time.
If she wasn't ready for those things, she shouldn't have stepped forward, of course she probably didn't understand that there are consequences to being famous.
All I see is JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go make that $1500 bagging at Jewel or something, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have earned 1,500 dollars at grocery stores 40 times over and enjoyed it, it was good work it taught me alot about patience with people that have very little. Which seeing your response I think is a job you couldn't qualify for, or wouldn't last quite so long if you got it.
More exclamation points in your post does not make your text louder. Nor does it appear louder. It appears less intelligent. Putting a word in all caps doesn't help with what you were going for either.
0/10
Trying too hard.
0/10 for trying too hard to be a /b/tard.
Don't you have anything better to do?
I love how you think that everyone here has an outrageous hateboner for this person. We're disappointed with her, not enraged. The sooner you learn that, the better.
Well, you see, I already did that. So now that I've got to wait before I do that again, I've got some time to kill. Which is why I'm here. What's your reason? :3
+1
That's all they have. The only reason they do all this is for lack of better things to do. If they had lives, they wouldn't care about all this and move on to bigger and better things. I'm only commenting once to put my 2 cents in. I think this whole thing is so overhyped. This, this right here, is why people say bad things about the fandom.
>I'm only commenting to put my 2 cents in.
>my 2 cents
>my opinion
Your opinion is just as useless as all of the people on here that you claim have "no lives." And if you had any common sense, you'd realize the hypocrisy of saying someone has no life because they talk about things like this when you come in here to talk about the same things with the same people.
Get off your damn high horse. You're not any better than the rest of us in here.
The reason why people say bad things about the fandom is the same reason they say bad things about every other group on this planet.
Because opinions are like assholes. People love pounding them in.
If there's one thing I've learned from the portrayal of furries on shows like Tyra Banks, CSI, MTV, etc. (I won't pass judgment on TLC before the show airs), it's that they give this sort of treatment to almost every subject they cover. Next time you're watching a segment on any subject on a show like these and find yourself thinking, "These people are weird/disgusting/whathaveyou," it's probably just as inaccurate.
Exactly. It's not like she's saying "EVERY FURRY IS EXACTLY LIKE ME" If anyone has ever had experience with media, they film what you want, but then the editors and all twist it to how they think the best reaction will come out. It's all fake. Anyone can figure that out. And besides, it's not life changing for either parties. I'm sure she's just forgetting about all this, and you should too. So what, a few people are gonna say she's weird. It's not like they're going to search out all the furries and make it their life goal to destroy each and every one's lives who are associated. It's such a trivial matter. A little episode will air a few times, and everyone will forget about it. You all fail to realize that people don't care. Only you do.
I am the older sister of KIIRA.
Usually when you have nothing but SHIT to say about others- it's because YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT YOURSELF. Like "Sonious"- more sh*t comes out of your mouth than my 80lb White German Shepherd's a$$!
It seems many of you envy her for this experience she has had. If not, then WHAT is your problem?!?!? Is she betraying TLC because it's not an actual addiction??? Why the hell do you care????? I'm not familiar with the whole "Furry" world, but is that the situation??? The "Furry betrayal"????? Grow the $%#& up! You're telling me that if you were offered $1500 and a chance to be in the spotlight dressed in your great work, you would NOT take it??? When, who knows, it may lead to other bigger and better things when others see it on TV????? BUNCH OF F'N BULLSH*TTERS.....
KIIRA, I have your back... screw the Furry world and their thoughts of you betraying them. This is only their jealousy coming out. (Furries... pshhh... sounds like a pubic hair issue...)
I would rather earn the 1500 dollars working minimum wage at a grocery store then letting TLC change something I called a hobby into an addiction. And in fact I have, approximately 40 times over. And I stopped being a cashier 3 years ago.
Go be with you sister, instead of shouting at us. trust me, I really hope that I'm wrong about this episode, and you guys are right, but if it is us who are right, and she isn't ready for it, and they edit her into something she never potreyed herself to be. She's going to need all the comfort she can get. Though she brought it on herself, she was naive. It's sad that there are those in this world who can be taken advantage of, when it happens it's sad.
It'll be her that people will see walking down the street, pointing and going, "There's that person addicted to furry" even though she wasn't really. If she was addicted she would have stayed no matter how much it hurt, that's what addicts do. Like a Lupine Assassin trying to get back onto FA despite how much crap he gets from the admins.
I do hope when all is said and done that I'm proven in the wrong. Because sometimes there are worse things then being wrong.
Ok, I'm going to answer this in a calm manner because it's clear to me that you're about to rage uncontrollably.
No, we are not jealous over what your sister did. GreenReaper himself had the opportunity for this, but he turned it down. Why? Because he knew about the backlash that he could expect from the community if he took the offer. Most of us do, which is exactly why if we were offered the chance we would have turned it down as well. Yes, $1500 is a decent sum of money, but I wouldn't sell out for it. Nor would I run the risk of ruining my life because everyone that I know would start to think of me as a furry addict. I respect my self image. Someone's furryness isn't exactly something that always needs to be made public.
I could say plenty of good things about myself. But, I don't because I don't want to come across as a braggart or a pompous dirtbag. Also, please refrain from hypocrisy in the same paragraph. You say things about how "talking shit" is bad, but then you say that Sonious has more crap come out of his mouth that your family pet's butt? Seems like it's weighing pretty heavy on the hypocritical side for me.
Once again, we're not jealous. It's not exactly what our problem is. It's what the problem of people that see this and get their feathers ruffled will be. It's not entirely "furry betrayal," as you put it, but most will see it that way. People are going to get riled up about her selling out the fandom for more bad publicity in exchange for $1500.
Also, this might have some repercussions that may not have crossed your, or your sister's, mind. There's people out there that entertain at birthday parties and such in fursuits and they get paid for it. If people start associating furry with an addiction, then people are no longer going to want a fursuiter for entertainment. The people that it affects that way are going to be angry at your sister for costing them income that they might have been counting on so she could line her pockets. It's pretty much the same thing as when Chewfox went on the Tyra Banks show and announced furry as a fetish to the nation. Not that it isn't to quite a few, but the publicity was completely unnecessary.
I certainly hope you have your sister's back, though. Because not many others will if things go south after the show gets aired. Better start praying that nobody goes after her personal information, or else things could get insanely out of hand. In fact, I'd recommend just disappearing. The less contact she gets with the internet, the better her chances of moving on from this incident.
If you reply, I look forward to it. If you don't, then I hope it's because you took my advice.
Get ahold of yourself, will ya?
It's fine that you aren't familiar with the fandom, but then do us a favor and don't go screaming at us about something you don't know anything about.
I find it amusing that everyone is acting like $1500 is alot of money. First off- she was asked to make two fursuits in under a week, and is only getting $1500?
$1500 is not life changing. Its hardly month-changing. And she'll regret this before the month is out, if she isn't already.
In fairness, I think she does get to keep the suits. They were for herself and her boyfriend.
The labor for two fursuits, on rush, maybe is covered by $1500. Maybe. But then throw on the money for the tv appearance, and she's getting paid shit.
That is to say- labor, not supplies. They may not have bought the fursuits for keeps, but they bought the labor, for sure.
She really should have considered that before she accepted the offer.
"Sitting here I'm a loaded gun,
Waiting to go off,
I've got nothing to do,
But shoot my mouth off"
Some where some one mentioned they can sum this up and failed. Well, thurr you go.
I'm keeping my identity private, but I do know Laur, and I'm a good friend of hers. And lemme start by saying, you all disgust me. I'm not a 'furry', and now I know why people see you all as weirdos. I'll also add that she actually doesn't go to Moraine anymore. She transferred to a new school last semester due to continuing her major and carrying on with her life, NORMALLY. She's not bugged by this at all. She's living her life happily as can be. You all think you can do shit? Please. She's not a furry anymore guys, give it up! She deleted her youtube because she just doesn't want to listen to all of your bitching, not because she's running. She has another youtube for her bass/guitar covers anyway which is still up and running. I mean, what can a few little scumbags like you do with your words? Sticks & stones, y'know? I mean, so what, she voiced her opinion on tv. Oh no, thats so terrible! Its not like people aren't allowed to do what they want. You all act like this is the end of the world. So what! Move on. The only people who actually care about seeing furries, are furries themselves! Normal people don't care about all this crap. They'll see it, go "Oh, thats weird." And be done with it forever. So what if someone thinks furries are weird? They already do if you haven't noticed. Take it from someone on the 'outside world'. And you all think that bringing the very few people down will make you guys look better? All I see is porn, porn, immature comments, porn, people who can't take a litte teeny criticism, and more porn. And that's what everyone sees. You all are just acting like trolls and complete /b/tards, and that's all this spawns from! You all just want to look cool and tough in front of your /b/rothers. And you know, the only reason people think furries are weird, is you all. And you all bitch about how she's posting 'furry porn' on youtube? Like this shit is any better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQ4z6lyOns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sezntwAKaOE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEtkJkBokvw&feature=related I mean come on. You all think this shines any better of a light on you guys than her just showing that, whether or not it's a lie, that she just loves being in her fursuit? It's not like she said "OMG I SCREW IN IT AND I LIKE TO PRETEND IM AN ANIMAL WHEN I HAVE SEX" No. If anything, they'll say "She loves to be in her fursuit and goes everywhere with it on. Even though she doesn't. I've never seen her in it, the show will be the first time. Same goes for a lot of her family and friends. This whole show is a lie. Anyone that she or I know will vouch for that too, but like any of you care. You all just want to look cool to justify your pathetic lives. Just so you know, people already think you're weird and gross. They have for a very long time. Its not her fault. It's not any single person's fault. It's the collective furries that do it. So before you all go blaming her or anyone else who does the same thing, think about what YOU did to contribute to the word of the fandom. I bet you it wasn't good. So have fun with your lives. I know we will :)
mariel of textwall
A winner is you!!!
Read up until it said, "...you all disgust me." I stopped there because from that alone, I can tell it's just a rant filled with unwarranted self-importance and internet tough guy bullshit.
You know you just called us weirdos but you apparently didn't learn what a paragraph was in elementary school... just saying, pots and kettles are funny things.
Calm down and take a breath for a second, the fact you can't space your thoughts out in text makes me believe you're not thinking clearly and can't divide your thoughts out properly.
>We really just don't care.
>Seriously, we don't care.
>Look at how much we don't care.
>Do you see how much we don't care?
>Notice how we're coming to you to tell you just how much we don't care? It's because we don't care.
>Seriously though, we don't care.
>We're leaving now because we don't care.
>But we'll be back, just in case you start thinking we don't care.
>Remember, we don't care.
You need to work on the architecture of your text-walls. This one is all wrong. It has no structure, and it even has glaring weak spots. I can tear down this whole wall just by tugging on one of your sentences.
Watch:
"She's not a furry anymore guys, give it up!" Then she wasn't an addict, was she? Which means she's lying about herself for money. Sure, our reaction has been overboard, and it usually is, and in two weeks we'll forget about this until the next thing comes around, but even if you remove the furry fandom from the equation entirely, she's still lying about herself for money.
And, you know, that kinda sucks.
U MAD?
NO IMAD
Im just gonna say that I would have sex in a fursuit, Im a furry, it interests me. And I would do it all in front of television for 1500 dollars
I'm sure porn stars get paid more then that, don't sell yourself short.
Are we going to set off another massive drama bomb? Are we going to blast Kiira's journal like we did with Chewfox and get her banned on FA? Do we really have to go through this again?
Is it crazy to believe the drama that follows is actually worse than the event itself? It really doesn't make things that much better, that's for sure.
Actually, since she left FA already this probably won't be like Chewfox, as pretty much anyone who knows about this already knows she left FA.
She, unlike Chewfox isn't truly addicted to being furry, at least Chewfox left kicking and screaming and wishing to stay on FA when they banned her, if Kiira put up half the fight Chewfox did, then maybe I could give her the benefit of the doubt that she was being truthful about being 'addicted' but all I can see is her addiction to fame and money is far greater then that of being furry.
Which, for the record, the people going to Chew's journal wasn't what got her banned from FA, her touting that she crashed FA at a furry convention did. Which while I disagree with that decision, isn't exactly the reason you seemed to present.
I thought it was for wearing an offensive shirt around Dragoneer o.o
You mean the shirt she made with a marker and having written on it:
"I took down FA and all I got was this lousy T-shirt!"
No.
It was her being an utter bitch all FWA weekend, and telling everyone that she hacked FA, and that she wanted to do it again ... that got her banned from FA.
It didn't help that her fat ass was next to Dior and Neer at various points as she was grabbing random people at the con to tell them how much dragoneer sucks and how hard she wanted to hack FA again. The woman is obsessed and stupid. At some point, that stupidity got rewarded.
Add into that, her boyfriend/husband thing, walking around like a hick, demanding that Dragoneer show himself for a beating... no, this was one f'd up bridge too far
While that is a very noble reason to get a restraining order, and while I certainly don't promote such behavior toward anyone for whatever reason, the fact of the matter is in no instance did she violate ToS, and the best thing out of that they can do is if she did claim to have hacked the site as a confession (one which there is no evidence of other then people claiming she said that sadly). Then that would be along the lines of Eevee's ban.
But as far as harassing the site's owner IRL, that should be added to the ToS if he wants to make that a bannable offense. He'd get no complaints from me if he did.
I would be willing to swear an affadavit before a federal judge that she said she took down FA and would do it again, because she's that good.
I was right there. I actually was in a very stationary position at FWA, and saw her make the comment at least five times, to five different groups of people. I was there when she demanded to know "where the fuck is that faggot dragoneer" while wearing the shirt and standing RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.
I don't know if this was present then, but..
From TOS:
http://wiki.furaffinity.net/index.php?title=TOS
Don't impersonate, harass or defame Fur Affinity users, staff or moderators.
Don't harass, abuse or spam other users, or encourage others to do so by proxy.
We will uphold our policies and actively protect the interests of the site and our members. This includes, but not limited to: stopping art theft/tracing, identity theft or attempts at financial harm, personal harassment or organizing trolling, piracy or other illegal activity or any activity which we feel is a threat to the site or its community.
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Now, harassing the site's owner IRL is not clearly mentioned, but she was harassing FA staff because they were FA staff, and for no other reason. I can see a ban being warranted there.
WHAT REALLY confuses me is why there is no clearer language about directly attacking the site in the TOS. That said, by making her claims, Chewfox was violating the terms of her own ISP's TOS , but most sites have a blanket statement to the effect of "If you attack the server, you're gone."
So vague, yes. Deserved, oh hell yes.
It is hard to compare which is worse, the original or the response. Both will involve a bunch of people being jerks, anywhere on the spectrum from a few major ass-holes to the vast majority with minor, inconsequential reactions. The difference: the small number of furs impacted by a non-fur seeing the show will be spread among all furries, while the small number of furs that directly contribute to any such drama will be seen concentrated on a small, visible target.
Just to clarify for those who are wondering, I do have an FA page but would rather not use my Internet alias so I don't get a bunch of troll messages because week old "thanks for the watch" messages are much better. But on to what I really have to say is that the furry fandom is NOT that different from other fandoms. Take Trekkies for example, people like to dress up as Spock, klingons or a random Vulcan that's what we call fursuiting. Since there is tv shows there isn't much artwork but there are some people who like to draw stuff from it. Then there are always the people who like the pictures of those fictional characters having sex or something. It's ALWAYS going to happen. The reason that furry appears on TV more is becuase it is different and also because there is that bigger spot of things that aren't in other things, but they all have their weird differences just like people becuase they are made by people and different people like different things. If your wondereng yes it also stands out becuase it has animalsistic people and some consider it bestiality but what about the people who like star wars and look at things with jabba the hut or wookies, how is that different? It also hasn't been around as long as star wars or star trek. Another main thing I can think of is that the furry fandom is accepting. Both star wars and star trek have these small requirements like knowing all of the crew on the ship (yea sorry don't know what it's called) for star trek or knowing all of the jedi's special powers for star wars while the furry fandom has nothing big that people can critisize you on if your new. One last thing is that almost all fandoms have guides to creating your character or whatnot like evil Jedi have to have red lightsabers or all vulcans have pointy ears while the furry fandom let's you create you character/fursona however you want. That being said nothing is perfect so don't expect it to be, yes there will be "yiff" but then people still have there porn videos, picture etc. which is no better. Now stop posting on this and go do something productive or go to sleep if you're in the U.S. Time zones becuase if you reply to this don't wait up for me.
The episode aired today in Canada and I'll admit that I was a bit interested in your community because of the show. I stumbled upon this page through a google search and quite frankly I am disappointed in some of the comments I have read on this article. If wearing animal costumes in public was a way of dealing with her grief and overcoming her self esteem issues- I am all for that. If she? has decided to move on with her life and leave the community, I think that should be her decision and should be respected.
Without a doubt the show may have been scripted/edited- what have you. Yes, she was payed. So what? I do not think that this is about you or your community, personally. It was for her own and her family's personal growth. As an outsider, I have to say that the lot of you and your behavior is what is reflecting negatively on your community and not her decision. I realize that I am probably going to get some rather immature comments such as "BAWWWWWW" or comments on my grammatical errors. That's fine. I will respond to anyone who would like to have an intelligent discussion.
I haven't seen the episode, so I can't comment directly on that, but had two points, not meant to be critical.
One, if you getting much of a negative impression of the community based on how a few people here react, then that is the same potentially the same fallacy people were scared of the TV show encouraging (regardless of if the show did encourage that or if some people overreacted): the traits of a vocal minority being misinterpreted as to reflect the whole. While such vocal minorities are in just about any group, where the loudness and visibility seem to correlate lack of representativeness, furry is rare and weird enough non-furry people are likely to have no other baseline to anchor their views in reasonableness, as they are unlikely to know or notice someone who is a more boring example of a furry. And while rational, level-minded people are less likely form rooted overgeneralizes from such specific examples, like most day-to-day interpersonal problems people, it is the actions that are less than rational that source or aggravate problems.
The second point, is that while I think she should be able to come and go as she wants from a community or hobby, etc., since others have no say or control over her, that doesn't preclude her from potentially valid criticism or concern. Considering for many that furry is an interest or hobby, one shouldn't be surprised if it waxes and wanes with time. But if someone claims it disappeared figuratively overnight, one wonders how deep of an interest they had in the first place and that seems to conflict the person taking actions to represent the core of others in the group (especially if she directly claims to be distant and non-representative herself). Other aspects might exasperate this potential conflict. E.g., getting paid cheapens (heh, irony) some of the negative possibilities, that potential problems resulted from personal greed instead of, the more forgivable by some, naivety.
I haven't seen the episode myself, and I've only heard second hand the statements she's made after filming it, so I can't directly comment on how positive or negative each is in this case. I do think that it is possible to have legitimate concerns and disagree with her actions (still doesn't excuse those being a jerk). I don't see it as a sky is falling situation, but don't expect a net positive result, however mild the result is. I've bumped into people before who have very negative views of furries as a result of a single such exposure, and it is frustrating how solidified some of them can be in face of counter-evidence. For me that is only a minor annoyance since I keep my furry interests out of such environments, but I have sees others who are more open about have more negative experiences (not to mention the possible worst case scenarios where their boss or parent is such an impressed person). I honestly don't know if the money and fame was worth potentially contributing to minor annoyances of a many people (and possibly a small number of cases serious annoyances). Although in the end, in my personal experience, I've found the negatives of such shows to immensely pale compare to the damage done by trolls and trolling-related websites that outright lie or otherwise misrepresent furries from the outside.
Oy, I butchered the first sentence of the second paragraph (along with a few other typos/missing words elsewhere), it should read:
One, if you are getting much of a negative impression of the community based on how a few people here react, then that is potentially the same fallacy people were scared of the TV show encouraging...
You do raise some very valid points and I do not know her personally. I just found it a little disheartening that others would want to troll/harass her based on how she presented herself as a furry, and I simply wanted to share my own thoughts on this. In the end, It is true that her exposure does not preclude her from criticism and concern, as you have said.
Thanks for giving a chance for (hopefully) calmer responses. Some people can be civil, even if a perceived threat from the show, or simply the raw attitudes involved by some, exceeds many people's incivility threshold.
I wouldn't expect too much intelligent discussion here though. I don't mean that as a disservice to those posting here, but in the sense most reasonable people probably react to the story and/or the expansive volume of comments with a "I'm don't want to bother with that mess." Lastly, in the land of the Molehill Mountains that is the internet, over-reactions are to be expected and are all too easily found in concentrated places (regardless if a furry topic or not, or how disheartening it can be).
I would like to thank you for visiting us and finding this through google. Though first off I'd love to know how you ended up finding this article searching on furries though Google. As no matter the query I use, this is never on the first five pages.
If you had watched at least the trailer to the video, we tend to be a shy group and don't communicate that well, even with each other. The fact is most of the posts above occurred before the episode aired, and quite frankly after viewing the trailer (http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/my-strange-addiction-fur-suit-fetish.html) to it it doesn't seem too terrible, but I wouldn't judge it until I saw the full thing, but as I said, if my reaction was Auto-Immune based upon historical media representation then I will be the first to apologize.
And even though I say it doesn't appear "terrible" it turns out the they did manipulate Kiira more then any of us could ever dream of through our words, for in my Google search what I found was this article: http://www.furrynewsnetwork.com/2011/01/tlc-to-show-furry-episode-of-my-strange-...
The article states that Kiira's dependence on her fursona was exaggerated by TLC.
So while I may seem a bit disappointed that someone had fallen for this, I've always been more disappointed in those that exploit others. The Chewfox thing included: http://sonious.livejournal.com/64945.html
If you read the above comments, while some of us who are seem dead set against Kiira have been what you would call "immature" some of those who have come in defense of her haven't been exactly the most grown up either. I've tried to remain civil in this thing even though I was told I was jealous and should get a job as a bagger (as if that were a bad thing). I have always been for treating people the way you expect to be treated. And if I ever was tempted to go on television to make a quick buck at the risk of harming myself or my friends, I'd want someone to stand up and say "No."
I hope that someday I can see it for myself so I can try and assess it as I did with the Chewfox incident, but I do have hope that it wasn't as harmful to her or anyone as we had come to fear. Judging by the fact that LJ hasn't flooded with a bunch of articles I have hopes that we did in fact overreact to what we felt was a threat.
The problem is, Sonious, at the time, we told her this would happen. We told her she'd be twisted. We told her that she would have to deal with the consequences of this.
Her response, on one FA post, she actually said, "FUCK YOU, I'm in it for the money, I don't care what they say." And "I'm going to be the one to get it right, everyone else are just idiots" and, laughably of them all, "$1500 is more money than you make and you're jealous." (For the record, most furs I know make WAY more than $1500 a month. My closest friends honestly make that in a week. One or two of them literally make that in a day)
She's since deleted a lot of her FA blogs.
So her playing the "they misrepresented me and I didn't know that bawww" card is silly. The media misrepresents EVERYONE. In the history of the furry fandom, we've seen this over and over.
Yet we always also seem to have a repeated parade of people who think they are the ones.. that they can make everyone understand us.. that they can get the message out.
That's what I think most people rail against.
In light of a recent discovery that the art of her fursona was actually traced artwork from another individual, I in fact can say that I am no longer going to apologize even if she gave the best presentation in the world of the fandom, for even if she saved the Wind Fish, she's still a Thief.
Thank you for your welcome, Sonious. I must admit I felt like I was opening a can of worms by posting my thoughts here- but I was raised to be inquisitive and speak my mind if something didn't set right with me. Unfortunately that has opened so many cans of worms I should open a bait shop. =)
I'd be more than happy to share the query that I used: http://www.google.ca/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=bizarre+addiction,+tlc&biw=128...
I am sorry to hear that you feel that your community has been portrayed in such a negative light that everyone felt they needed to react that way. If it counts for anything, I find a lot of the artwork incredible. I see nothing wrong in healthy creativity. I even role play Rifts and D&D from time to time with friends... despite being 27. That will be our little secret, okay? Hehe.
While I am not altogether certain what a furry is entirely other than someone who likes to draw, dress up, or role play as an animal, why should it be a big deal? I'm all for things that make people happy so long as it doesn't harm anyone or themselves. Maybe I am missing something entirely. If you do not mind me asking, What is a chewfox incident?
Furry is a pretty vague description, as it usually just means someone who is a fan of anthropomorphized animals, which often gets expressed by art, costuming, role play, games, reading books, or watching movies/shows (any given person could be interested in one, all or none of those, the specific activities are not fundamentally part of the definition). Others can probably link to more detailed essays expanding on that much better. But at the basic level, definition of "furry" is nothing more or less than that, as anything more specific refers only to a subset.
You would probably be missing out on some of the perspective and previous events (and possibly biases) of furries the have led to a mess like above. While there has been quite a bit of neutral and positive news about furries, mostly by local news covering conventions (tending to be dry and boring), there is also a lot of media sensationalism, exaggerating negatives or spinning negatives out of non-negatives. This has left many furries with a negative view and expectation of media, to the point some would even rather be left alone rather than risking things more coverage. Chewfox was a furry in a previous, parallel incident, who volunteered to go on a talk show to try to improve the image of furries when there was a lot of warnings the show was trying to be sensational. My memory isn't perfect, so someone else could explain that better probably.
Even without bias from the media's end, there appears to be an issue with furries who volunteer for such things misrepresenting other furries, by acting, suggesting, or even claiming, they are archetypical when many of their traits are far from universal. This can vary from minor issues such as suggesting that all furries wear costumes (when it is <20% minority that is interested, I think) to attributing much more fringe traits as a defining characteristic of furries. Some of the latter cases are not surprising, as the more boring or reasonable types will avoid offers of media coverage, especially if there are warning signs of unfairness.
Then thrown into this is the huge mess of internet trolls. Furries became the butt of many internet jokes, with some sites and groups dedicated to making fun or hating furries. A combination of many things has lead to some viewing "furry" as a pejorative, or as the lowest possible category of people on the internet.
In the grand scheme of things, a lot of these problems are relatively minor. But since the fandom is important and a big thing for many furries, the negativity can still really be a downer. With the internet becoming so central to a lot of the fandom, one can get a warped perception of how furries are viewed by others. In my experience most people are actually neutral because they simply just don't care about furries. Although the more internet savvy types I know do have mostly negative views, despite actually knowing very little about furries, having learned most of what they knew from the trolls or special cases. Nonetheless, image has become a sensitive issue to many furries, for a variety of reasons. It has become very frustrating to have many people, from within the group or without, saying you are something that you are not, especially in the few cases they get a lot of publicity while doing so.
I would think you could understand being a D&D player, as that has been portrayed as a devil worshiping game in media outlets when it started to become popular. Same with the "dark side" of the fandom.
Are there those that play D&D that actually devil worship, I'm sure there are people in church who do the same, everything has a "dark side", if you can't see it you're either in the group, or aren't looking hard enough.
The "Dark side' as they called it a 'fetish' is a subset of the furry group that have sexual intercourse while in their suits, etc. The fear is that those who do it as just a hobby will be protreyed as those who have intercourse with the suit on, even when that may not be true.
In fact, while TLC in the episode said that she was not a fetishist, their trailer page was titled "Cushion Eater/Furry Fetish" falsely conveying that they were interviewing a fetishist.
The Chewfox incident was a more reacted to even where a furry went onto the Tyra Banks show, the show's theme was strange bedroom behavior, I wouldn't need to explain it much more then that. I don't know if there is still a video available. The irony is thought that Tyra's show didn't even last a year after that.
Given her speed in and out of the fandom.. I'm not entirely convinced she was really even a furry. Nobody heard of her, then suddenly, she's blabbing about how cool she is, and how she's on a show.. then the show hasn't even aired and she's out of the fandom.
Hell, she might be a pro actor or something.
Even Chewfox, though i dislike her methods, think she's an attention whore, and other such things, still stayed in the fandom, and for that I give her a bit more credit. She actually believes in what she said she does.
This girl stole artwork, came out of nowhere, did a show, and didn't even wait for most people to view it on their DVRs before she left the fandom.
Also, it's hard to defend people who go onto shows like "My Strange Addiction" or "MTV Sex2K" or Tyra Banks with the line of "strange kinks", and expect it to be anything but. I know you think people are naive, but I don't want to insult people's intelligence THAT much. You had to know that going onto a show called My Strange Addiction was going to make you look freaking weird.
There's a video up now. She does OK, but the producers do their best to make it sound like some kind of harmful addiction.
The mother wants her girl back, despite the fact that she was sullen after her dad died (and isn't that like 50% of teenagers? At least she has a good excuse.) She misses the point that Kiira is happy now when she wasn't before.
The psychologist might not have – indeed, she seems quite impressed – but they don't actually ask her whether it's a bad thing. It's mentioned that there is a "dark side" of the fandom, but no real details are given.
Oh, and as Sonious notes in Newsbytes, apparently the artwork of her fursona was traced (comparison).
I was actually blown away by the image that she "drew" on the show and I actually felt a little inspired by it. That's actually disappointing.
On TLC, you don't exactly learn everything there is to know about people it seems. I was kind of disappointed that I thought she drew it at first as well. Seeings as she was kind of a no-name who had as many FA page views as myself before the announcement of her appearance was made, I should hardly be surprised.
For art talent like that guarantees at least twenty times the hits I get.
Loving the obvious photoshop.
If anyone would actually look up the real story, you will see that the picture that was shown was actually a line art stolen off of the original artist that she had used a while back, and she had no intention of it being on the show. She has shown many other originals of her fursona to the cameras, but the one that she noted "Give credit to the owner of the line art or don't show this one, it's not mine" was the ONLY one shown. Sounds like it was done on purpose to me.
Sure, that's if you believe her story, which I don't for a second.
And if it was she had warning that these individuals were the kind of people to do that, based upon who turned them down and why they were turned them down. The thing is if you are asked to do something major like go on television it is essential you do your research.
If you go in blindly, things like this can happen. Though in that regard the timing of her counter journal was only after the whole tracing thing was found out. And I thought she was shown Drawing this picture on the program, not just showing it.
The timing of the events, and the fact she deleted every journal after posting this makes me think someone made a very good point in which she deleted her words which stood on a pillar of sand. If she is being truthful to herself there is no reason to delete everything.
I'm deleting everything because I want to live my life normally without you idiots spamming every damn inbox I have and sharing all of my information. Not because I'm running. I'm done explaining to people who just say tl;dr, you're still a dumb bitch. I'm sick of the death threats. I'm sick of the bullshit. I'm sick of explaining myself to deaf ears. I know you all will dwell on this for millenia after I'm gone, but I won't be a part of it.
Actually, nah. We'll just point, laugh, and not care. You're still making shit up, too. You know if there really WERE death threats, Dragoneer , who runs FA , and has a history of reading people's notes, would do something.
Stop lying. Do you have any capacity for truth at all? Come on. You did this to get money / noticed. You never were really a furry, nobody knows you, and you saw an opportunity. Good job, but move on. That was your plan all along, wasn't it? Stick to the plan.
You think it's just on FA? Please. These people are scumbags. My email, Facebook, Youtube, Commission site, they're everywhere! Nowhere is safe. So, I'm done with it. I'm deleting them and moving on like I said. Now you've got someone else to talk bad about the fandom who was actually in it. You did it to yourselves. If you all weren't such babies about everything, I'd be nice about all of this. But you all don't know to act when little things happen, so you all just spew bullshit everywhere. Now I know why people troll furries. You deserve it. You guys are so easy to nudge into a huge shitstorm. So you can have your 'fandom'. I'm so glad I'm leaving this all behind. Go ahead and celebrate that I'm leaving. Tell the world. Just know that when you guys get trolled upon, I'm not far behind them. So have fun picking apart my post and trolling me and doing whatever you must to do to add some action into your lives. You'll be talking to a wall by the time you read this. I am officially G O N E. And let me tell you, it feels great to say that. :)
As someone who thinks what most of those people are doing is wrong, and those that talked crap are a bunch of stupid assholes, it is really hard to be sympathetic or supportive of someone lumping everyone together and also talking crap. It is also kind of a shame that someone who experienced the effects of such trolling seems to wish it upon others.
Most of what I've seen as negative about all this hasn't been the actions, which mostly have been "little things," but the attitudes. But not that negative, as I think for most there isn't anything to celebrate or move on from, as many of us don't care and didn't think it was a big deal from the start.
I hadn't talked to you anywhere but here and on FA, and if they are harassing you just because they don't have anything better to do, frankly I think they are pretty sad people. More gutless then an individual who goes on television for whatever reason. At least they're putting a name to their actions, as fool-hearty as they may be.
In reality it's probably a few people doing it multiple times trying to appear as many. Because that's what people like them do, they are no better then the media which skews things in their favor by editing and they the reputation of those around them no greater justice.
People seem to dwell on the exceptional and make it the rule. Furries, ex-furries, and non-furries alike.
You mean THIS Facebook? :)
http://www.facebook.com/lolo.rocks?sk=info
people told you that thii2 would happen. they all warned you, but you refu2ed to lii2ten two them. perhap2 you wiill have learned your le22on from all of thii2 and you wont put your2elf iin thii2 siituatiion agaiin.
of cour2e, thii2 ii2 all under the iidea that you have the capaciity two learn. ii per2onally don't think you have iit, but ii'll give you the beniifiit of the doubt. even though my other half is telliing me not two.
WOW. I MEAN WOW. I'VE SEEN SOME CRAP ASS POSTS IN MY TIME, BUT SOLLUX YOU ARE THE PATRIARCH OF FAIL.
WHOOPS, GUESS THAT'S PATRIARCH AND MATRIARCH.
WHAT IS THIS BULGE SLURPING FILTH? I MEAN QUOTE PEOPLE TOLD YOU THAT THII2 OH LOOK AT THAT. THERE IS YOUR INCREDIBLY ENDEARING STYLE AGAIN. LET ME TELL YOU THE PURE RAPTURE I EXPERIENCE EVERY TIME I READ THIS EXCREMENT. IT IS TRULY BOUNDLESS. BACK TO YOUR DRIBBLE, PEOPLE TOLD YOU THAT THIS (WITH A FUCKING S) WOULD HAPPEN BLUH BLUH LEARNED YOUR LESSEN BLUH BLUH BLUH MY OTHER HALF IS A DOUCHE. END FUCKING QUOTE.
MAYBE IF YOU WEREN'T SUCH A MEWLING GRUB YOU COULD SEE THAT THIS WAS ALL JUST A HUGE WASTE OF TIME.
LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR ALL THE GIGANTIC PILLS OUT THERE. THAT'S YOU BY THE WAY SOLLUX. FURRIES WHO GO ON THE HUMAN'S IDIOT BOXES ARE IDIOTS THEMSELVES. THEY WERE HATCHED IDIOTS, AND THEY WILL DIE IDIOTS.
IF YOU TRY TO EDUCATE OR REASON WITH THEM YOU ARE AN EVEN BIGGER IDIOT. SO THANKS FOR THREATENING TO COLLAPSE THE UNIVERSE WITH THE INFINITE HOLE THAT IS YOUR IGNORANCE.
*CG banned himself from responding to memo.
:33 < i don't know why you're acting all high and mighty mr. know-it-all.
:33 < i was nice to you, let you make fun of my adventures - i thought we had something sp33cial ://
:33 < even when you called m33 all those nasty names . . . i purractically licked your feet!
:33 < but no, you were too proud to play games! and what good did it do you?
:33 < you just stood and watched while fishbreath walked all over sollux and the rest. :XX
:33 < you looked just like a big fish yourself, all :Q
:33 < and now you've come to troll him and my furry fur33nds? you're such a hypurrcrite!
Wow, speaking of reality sitcoms...
This whole thing:
tl;dr furs start a shitstorm, nothing new.
Your drama. I live off it.
Gosh, everyone! Stop it! We're dipping below all the trolls! You all need to realize something. Kiira tried. That counts for something. She did a better job than most probably could, considering the TV crew had absolute power over her! And I see some of y'all complaining that shes a wimp because she left. Wake up, guys! You're the reason she left! You've trolled her nonstop for something that she didn't actually do!
I don't care if I get mega-trolled for this.
Kiira, if you're reading this and haven't totally abandoned it, someone is on your side. You did a good job.
She did alright, I must say, the only really irking part of the episode to me was the things that came out of that male psychiatrit's mouth. He's one of those "Experts on everything lolz" shrinks that doesn't really know anything.
If he was such an expert in these things, why would he need to seek work from some TLC show. If he was such a pro he'd be too busy with actual patients to stoop to that level.
The fact that he was in the cushion eating segment as well tells me he's just some shrink they pulled of the street, told him to pretend he knew what he was talking about, and get paid to do so..
I saw the episode. Other than the fact that it said Furry was an "obsession" when for this girl at least it most definitely was not, it was actually a fairly good representation of the fandom. Of course, I fail to see the link between fursuiting and her father's death many years prior. The mom just brought that up as a sob story to make everyone feel bad for the poor widow, boohoo.
I've noted that the psychiatrist who claimed it was because of the dad was referenced for the show for both cases (he comments on the cushion eater too), if he is so esteemed a psychiatrist then why is he wasting his time on a television show instead of helping patients? Is he on the rest of the episodes? I'd bet he is, but I'm not sure as I hadn't watched it regularly.
In the end I guess he needs the advertising because he isn't as great a shrink as he seems to think he is.
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