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This week on KnotCast, Savrin, Zap, Fuzz, and Istanbul discuss the wonderful magical world of Furry Fiesta 2009. We discuss our experiences at the con and our parts in it, and hear back from a few listeners who also attended. Also this week, we share tales of typefuckin' gone awry, get asked how to move a mate out of a shitty situation while unemployed, and are told that, hey, furmeets are good! All this and a whole ton of silliness on episode 43 of KnotCast! Episode 43 - The Aftermath

Holy crap, this is our live show from Furry Fiesta 2009! We answer a few emails, tell a lot of jokes, and get a lot of audience participation. We also get to tackle a very serious question from a member of the audience and do our best to give a very empathic and hopefully helpful answer. We had an utterly fantastic time at the recording and loved every minute of it. The audience really seemed to as well! We've been invited to do a live show at Oklacon 7 this year, and we're planning on it! Episode 42 - Knotstravaganza!

Woyro is hitting the road next week. he talks about Furry Fiesta and the US Postal Service Episode 85--Postal Service and Furry Fiesta - Woyro is hitting the road next week. he talks about Furry Fiesta and the US Postal Service

Episode 2 of Analogues, recorded January 30, 2009."Pogo Sticks" © AnimusicAll other content ©2009 Tanuke Media Analogues - 002 - Jan 30, 2009

This is a review is cross posted (after slight editing) from my own LJ. It contains a fair number of spoilers, so it'll be behind a nice big cut.



For those who haven't yet read the blurb on the back of the book/website, or read the first third of the book on the web, or even seen another review by now, the story features the football playing tiger Dev and the crafty cross dressing fox Lee. Lee trips Dev in to bed, and surprise, Dev likes it! This sets up the basic premise of Lee and Dev trying to make their way as a couple in the professional sports world.

The setting is essentially a furry copy of the current modern world, the same universe and time frame as Kyell's previous novel, Waterways. He even goes so far as to map the city names he's created to various locations in the US. It's a well constructed universe, solid and fleshed out. The small school scenes feel very real to me as someone who went to a div III school in the midwest, and the later scenes still kept that feeling of authenticity even as they went into places where I don't have the experience to know any better. The setting never detracted from the story, and mostly blended into the background of the character interaction. It felt like much more of the setting was assumed, unlike the stories set in Argaea (the setting of Volle and it's sequels) where the setting was more explicity described to point out the contrasts between that world and our onw..

It is a very character driven story, and those characters are once again magnificent people who are engaging and likeable even if they do have their own set of flaws.

Dev the tiger is my favorite character in the book, the one that I want waiting for me at home. I did have some issues with his characterization though... While the issues about coming out were very thoroghly explored in Waterways and I don't expect this book to spend all it's time going over the same sort of themes, Dev's acceptance of his own sexuality feels abrupt and rushed. It just came out of the blue after this chance encounter. Dev is confused for a couple weeks, then bam, he's back to get some more from Lee. From then on, he's suddenly ok with being gay, he's just primarily worried about staying in the closet. Has Dev really made it to his junior year of college without an inkling that he liked guys? Is it something he's thought about before but Kyell didn't find the space to tell us?

There's a bit of a time gap in the story, and when it picks back up it felt like a rather abrupt switch had gotten thrown that was not properly explained or explored. There's only a brief pause before Dev is again happily handling Lee. That is a relatively minor quibble for me, as I easily got swept up in the relationship interplay between Dev and Lee, and the progression towards pro football and his efforts to survive and thrive there. Dev is sweet (though he'd probably growl if you called him that) and straightforward. Most of the time it feels like his emotions are buried and restrained, but every so often these moments pop up that just are so beautiful it made me want to cry. In particular I was touched by the scene where he meets Lee's father and deftly short circuits a rather heated argument with his genuine sincerity, as well as a moment toward the end when he asks whether he should be thinking about the future as his or as ours [his and Lee's].

Lee is a more complicated character, though it didn't necessarily feel that way to me. The drive, intelligence and willing to be a bit underhanded at need felt very familiar to me. In a lot of ways we have similar views on commitments, which made his decision to quit school to take the job resonate with me. I don't know that I could have made the same decision as Lee, but I understand exactly what forces were pulling him in each direction. Lee also faded a bit into the background in the final section of the novel. While a critical player, he was often absent, off doing a job that those of us non-sports fans may not really understand. Lee's lack of physical presence was as much a character in the final section as his presence was. It was wonderful story construction and hightened the emotional impact, but it did let his character fade and subtly change (itself an important plot point).

This is an adult novel, and there is plenty of sex. I am happy to report that OOP is in my opinion the hottest of all Kyell's novels so far. For one thing, unlike Waterways, it didn't feature underage characters I felt weird getting aroused over. It also pushed a lot more of my buttons. One thing that did bother me a little was the seeming one sidedness of the sex in the relationship. It always seemed to be the same person taking the same roles. Dev tried oral a couple times and didn't like it... There was never any discussion of any possibility of him bottoming for Lee ever. That stuck out to me, and in a way felt like it was an assumption of Dev's dominance and masculinity, playing into both masculine stereotypes (i.e. big football player couldn't take it up the butt) and furry stereotypes of foxes being submissive. It made their sex life seem rather one dimensional over the course of the novel even if the individual sex scenes were always very well done, and not exactly condusive to being read while in public.

Final thoughts: Overall I really loved this novel. I read it twice from cover to cover on the way home from Further Confusion. It is most definitely worth picking up. I was a little worried about the football, but frankly I needn't have bothered. It's mostly a story about pro athletes in general, and could have been written with baseball, hockey or whatever players instead. The football action that is there is written in an aproachable manner, but still meaty enough (I hope) for actual football fans. It's the complete package in a furry novel, and I'm betting that it's going to be the furry novel of the year.

Final [Spoilery] Thoughts: Something about the ending that bothered me in retrospect was that it felt cribbed from the Ironman movie. While reading it, everything felt right and good, but after putting the book down, for a bit I thought that the whole press-conference revelation and quick end felt rather familiar, and realized that it was almost exactly like the end of Ironman with Tony Stark poised to issue a denial, then throwing caution to the wind and bursting out his secret. It was still a blockbuster moment for me, and nearly brought me to tears both times on the plane, even if it wasn't unexpected. One other thing that bothered me was the casual drinking and driving. While it may be in character (I'm from Cincinnati, I know how those things can go) it still worried me. I lost a friend in high school to a drunk driver, and that kind of thing bothers me.

Semi-unrelated note: I have read speculation that the first pro athlete to come out while active will likely be a solid 'franchise' player or backup who is still active but approaching the end of their productive career. It wouldn't be a big name, but someone who's worked hard, hasn't made a huge impact in any kind of record books but sees an opportunity to make a name for themselves by coming out prior to retirement. I do think there is also a plausible alternative scenario with the changing environment. I could see the first out active pro athlete as someone who has been out throughout their playing career, from high school through college and into the pros. That would be someone who was a natural and truly gifted athlete, a star who's talent ensures they cannot be overlooked by recruiters, but who stepped out of the closet such a long time ago that there would be no 'coming out' press because that happened so long ago that it faded into a non-issue.

Tangentially related note: On CNN headlines the other day there was a story about the progressive brain damage players in the NFL suffer due to repeated concussions and playing through concussions. That made me really worry about Dev, as he's the kind of player (at least right now) who would be very likely to suffer a concussion as a linebacker, but still play through it because he doesn't have the security in his job to sit it out, or play through it as a second string because he needs to stay in the game to stay on the team. It just made me concerned about the long term health and well-being of a fictional character.

Final Note: I noticed the map and the location of the Chevali dot. I wonder who you're going to be rooting for in the Super Bowl this weekend? :) Isn't that a funny coincidence?

This is a review is cross posted (after slight editing) from my own LJ. It contains a fair number of spoilers, so it'll be behind a nice big cut.



For those who haven't yet read the blurb on the back of the book/website, or read the first third of the book on the web, or even seen another review by now, the story features the football playing tiger Dev and the crafty cross dressing fox Lee. Lee trips Dev in to bed, and surprise, Dev likes it! This sets up the basic premise of Lee and Dev trying to make their way as a couple in the professional sports world.

The setting is essentially a furry copy of the current modern world, the same universe and time frame as Kyell's previous novel, Waterways. He even goes so far as to map the city names he's created to various locations in the US. It's a well constructed universe, solid and fleshed out. The small school scenes feel very real to me as someone who went to a div III school in the midwest, and the later scenes still kept that feeling of authenticity even as they went into places where I don't have the experience to know any better. The setting never detracted from the story, and mostly blended into the background of the character interaction. It felt like much more of the setting was assumed, unlike the stories set in Argaea (the setting of Volle and it's sequels) where the setting was more explicity described to point out the contrasts between that world and our onw..

It is a very character driven story, and those characters are once again magnificent people who are engaging and likeable even if they do have their own set of flaws.

Dev the tiger is my favorite character in the book, the one that I want waiting for me at home. I did have some issues with his characterization though... While the issues about coming out were very thoroghly explored in Waterways and I don't expect this book to spend all it's time going over the same sort of themes, Dev's acceptance of his own sexuality feels abrupt and rushed. It just came out of the blue after this chance encounter. Dev is confused for a couple weeks, then bam, he's back to get some more from Lee. From then on, he's suddenly ok with being gay, he's just primarily worried about staying in the closet. Has Dev really made it to his junior year of college without an inkling that he liked guys? Is it something he's thought about before but Kyell didn't find the space to tell us?

There's a bit of a time gap in the story, and when it picks back up it felt like a rather abrupt switch had gotten thrown that was not properly explained or explored. There's only a brief pause before Dev is again happily handling Lee. That is a relatively minor quibble for me, as I easily got swept up in the relationship interplay between Dev and Lee, and the progression towards pro football and his efforts to survive and thrive there. Dev is sweet (though he'd probably growl if you called him that) and straightforward. Most of the time it feels like his emotions are buried and restrained, but every so often these moments pop up that just are so beautiful it made me want to cry. In particular I was touched by the scene where he meets Lee's father and deftly short circuits a rather heated argument with his genuine sincerity, as well as a moment toward the end when he asks whether he should be thinking about the future as his or as ours [his and Lee's].

Lee is a more complicated character, though it didn't necessarily feel that way to me. The drive, intelligence and willing to be a bit underhanded at need felt very familiar to me. In a lot of ways we have similar views on commitments, which made his decision to quit school to take the job resonate with me. I don't know that I could have made the same decision as Lee, but I understand exactly what forces were pulling him in each direction. Lee also faded a bit into the background in the final section of the novel. While a critical player, he was often absent, off doing a job that those of us non-sports fans may not really understand. Lee's lack of physical presence was as much a character in the final section as his presence was. It was wonderful story construction and hightened the emotional impact, but it did let his character fade and subtly change (itself an important plot point).

This is an adult novel, and there is plenty of sex. I am happy to report that OOP is in my opinion the hottest of all Kyell's novels so far. For one thing, unlike Waterways, it didn't feature underage characters I felt weird getting aroused over. It also pushed a lot more of my buttons. One thing that did bother me a little was the seeming one sidedness of the sex in the relationship. It always seemed to be the same person taking the same roles. Dev tried oral a couple times and didn't like it... There was never any discussion of any possibility of him bottoming for Lee ever. That stuck out to me, and in a way felt like it was an assumption of Dev's dominance and masculinity, playing into both masculine stereotypes (i.e. big football player couldn't take it up the butt) and furry stereotypes of foxes being submissive. It made their sex life seem rather one dimensional over the course of the novel even if the individual sex scenes were always very well done, and not exactly condusive to being read while in public.

Final thoughts: Overall I really loved this novel. I read it twice from cover to cover on the way home from Further Confusion. It is most definitely worth picking up. I was a little worried about the football, but frankly I needn't have bothered. It's mostly a story about pro athletes in general, and could have been written with baseball, hockey or whatever players instead. The football action that is there is written in an aproachable manner, but still meaty enough (I hope) for actual football fans. It's the complete package in a furry novel, and I'm betting that it's going to be the furry novel of the year.

Final [Spoilery] Thoughts: Something about the ending that bothered me in retrospect was that it felt cribbed from the Ironman movie. While reading it, everything felt right and good, but after putting the book down, for a bit I thought that the whole press-conference revelation and quick end felt rather familiar, and realized that it was almost exactly like the end of Ironman with Tony Stark poised to issue a denial, then throwing caution to the wind and bursting out his secret. It was still a blockbuster moment for me, and nearly brought me to tears both times on the plane, even if it wasn't unexpected. One other thing that bothered me was the casual drinking and driving. While it may be in character (I'm from Cincinnati, I know how those things can go) it still worried me. I lost a friend in high school to a drunk driver, and that kind of thing bothers me.

Semi-unrelated note: I have read speculation that the first pro athlete to come out while active will likely be a solid 'franchise' player or backup who is still active but approaching the end of their productive career. It wouldn't be a big name, but someone who's worked hard, hasn't made a huge impact in any kind of record books but sees an opportunity to make a name for themselves by coming out prior to retirement. I do think there is also a plausible alternative scenario with the changing environment. I could see the first out active pro athlete as someone who has been out throughout their playing career, from high school through college and into the pros. That would be someone who was a natural and truly gifted athlete, a star who's talent ensures they cannot be overlooked by recruiters, but who stepped out of the closet such a long time ago that there would be no 'coming out' press because that happened so long ago that it faded into a non-issue.

Tangentially related note: On CNN headlines the other day there was a story about the progressive brain damage players in the NFL suffer due to repeated concussions and playing through concussions. That made me really worry about Dev, as he's the kind of player (at least right now) who would be very likely to suffer a concussion as a linebacker, but still play through it because he doesn't have the security in his job to sit it out, or play through it as a second string because he needs to stay in the game to stay on the team. It just made me concerned about the long term health and well-being of a fictional character.

Final Note: I noticed the map and the location of the Chevali dot. I wonder who you're going to be rooting for in the Super Bowl this weekend? :) Isn't that a funny coincidence?

I've reviewed many of Kyell Gold's books in the past. I almost wasn't going to do one for Out of Position, out of the notion that I should give someone else a shot, first, but given how popular the book seems to have been right at its release, I'm going to guess that reviews will be popping up everywhere soon enough, and I have no reason not to add my voice to the pile.

As a brief disclaimer, first: it's probably no big secret, especially to Kyell's fans, that he and I are very close friends, but as a fellow writer, I try to keep my bias out of my literary opinions as much as I can. Also, I did do some work helping to edit Out of Position, as well, but I'll come back to that point later.

Now, on to the review proper:

Out of Position is fairly unique for one of Gold's novels in that it's the first book that he has written that really has a contemporary adult theme to it; Waterways (set in the same fictional universe) handles the young adult angle, but Out of Position is more about grown-ups and the problems that a relationship can have in the real, grown-up world.

The story concerns a tiger named Devlin Miski, a tiger who plays football for Forester University, and his fateful run-in with a tricky, sneaky (and very sexy) fox, Wiley "Lee" Farrel. Initially seduced by Lee in all-too-convincing drag, Dev ends up having his first sexual encounter with another male, and is forced to reevaluate first his sexuality, and then the other values in his life.

From there, the plot follows both Dev and Lee (through switching perspectives) over the course of their growing relationship. What starts with a one-night-stand (and revenge plot) turns into a very serious relationship that has more than a fair share of bumps for both of our protagonists. What really makes the book click is the expert way that real-life relationship problems are handled: they have stupid fights where both of them are in the wrong; pressure from family and friends force folks to make tough decisions; school and sports and a whole bunch of other things keep trying to get in the way.

If Waterways is the story of figuring out who you are and how to go out and face the world, then Out of Position is the story about being out there in the world and being forced to deal with all of its pressures while still staying true to yourself and the people you love--and the very tricky art of finding the balance between those things.

Football plays a very big part in the book, but as Gold himself states in the introduction, it's not a story about football. Since (again, as Gold himself points out) most gay furry romance readers probably aren't huge football fans, it's worth pointing out that the story is, at its core, a gay furry romance novel and not a piece of sports fiction. Early in the book, there's even a nice, succinct, very helpful aside that explains football in a brief overview that only lasts two pages and which should give even the most clueless reader enough knowledge of the sport to understand the references in the rest of the book. So, fret not, gentle readers: don't let the big, scary football stuff scare you off. (Besides, look at that cover, and tell me that Dev doesn't look delicious in that uniform.)

That's another thing that definitely warrants mentioning: this is a very, very sexy book. The two main characters are very confused and conflicted, and this leads to quite a lot of pent-up emotions and outbursts of passion, and Mr. Gold has outdone himself, more than once, in putting together some truly arousing sex scenes this time around. Whereas Waterways more just touched the surface of youthful sexuality, Out of Position gets good and explicit quite a number of times, and the quality of those scenes is something that no connoisseur of furry erotica need worry about.

As sexy as the book is, though, the emotional heart of it is even stronger. During the last quarter of the book, I got choked up repeatedly, even when reading sections of it in public. It's a beautiful story--unquestionably Gold's best--and I daren't spoil any more details of it here. In the aforementioned process of helping to edit the book, I read the bulk of it no fewer than three or four times, and never got sick of it or felt like any of it lost its impact.

The end result is a spectacular read that paints some terrific characters, gives a top-notch romantic story, and includes some really great written erotica on top like the cherry on the proverbial sundae (and that's not even including the gorgeous interior illustrations by Blotch, either!). Fans of Kyell Gold's work cannot go wrong by checking this book out. Gay furry romance fans who don't think that the written part of our fandom is worth taking a look at ought to take a look at this to see how it's done.

I've reviewed many of Kyell Gold's books in the past. I almost wasn't going to do one for Out of Position, out of the notion that I should give someone else a shot, first, but given how popular the book seems to have been right at its release, I'm going to guess that reviews will be popping up everywhere soon enough, and I have no reason not to add my voice to the pile.

As a brief disclaimer, first: it's probably no big secret, especially to Kyell's fans, that he and I are very close friends, but as a fellow writer, I try to keep my bias out of my literary opinions as much as I can. Also, I did do some work helping to edit Out of Position, as well, but I'll come back to that point later.

Now, on to the review proper:

Out of Position is fairly unique for one of Gold's novels in that it's the first book that he has written that really has a contemporary adult theme to it; Waterways (set in the same fictional universe) handles the young adult angle, but Out of Position is more about grown-ups and the problems that a relationship can have in the real, grown-up world.

The story concerns a tiger named Devlin Miski, a tiger who plays football for Forester University, and his fateful run-in with a tricky, sneaky (and very sexy) fox, Wiley "Lee" Farrel. Initially seduced by Lee in all-too-convincing drag, Dev ends up having his first sexual encounter with another male, and is forced to reevaluate first his sexuality, and then the other values in his life.

From there, the plot follows both Dev and Lee (through switching perspectives) over the course of their growing relationship. What starts with a one-night-stand (and revenge plot) turns into a very serious relationship that has more than a fair share of bumps for both of our protagonists. What really makes the book click is the expert way that real-life relationship problems are handled: they have stupid fights where both of them are in the wrong; pressure from family and friends force folks to make tough decisions; school and sports and a whole bunch of other things keep trying to get in the way.

If Waterways is the story of figuring out who you are and how to go out and face the world, then Out of Position is the story about being out there in the world and being forced to deal with all of its pressures while still staying true to yourself and the people you love--and the very tricky art of finding the balance between those things.

Football plays a very big part in the book, but as Gold himself states in the introduction, it's not a story about football. Since (again, as Gold himself points out) most gay furry romance readers probably aren't huge football fans, it's worth pointing out that the story is, at its core, a gay furry romance novel and not a piece of sports fiction. Early in the book, there's even a nice, succinct, very helpful aside that explains football in a brief overview that only lasts two pages and which should give even the most clueless reader enough knowledge of the sport to understand the references in the rest of the book. So, fret not, gentle readers: don't let the big, scary football stuff scare you off. (Besides, look at that cover, and tell me that Dev doesn't look delicious in that uniform.)

That's another thing that definitely warrants mentioning: this is a very, very sexy book. The two main characters are very confused and conflicted, and this leads to quite a lot of pent-up emotions and outbursts of passion, and Mr. Gold has outdone himself, more than once, in putting together some truly arousing sex scenes this time around. Whereas Waterways more just touched the surface of youthful sexuality, Out of Position gets good and explicit quite a number of times, and the quality of those scenes is something that no connoisseur of furry erotica need worry about.

As sexy as the book is, though, the emotional heart of it is even stronger. During the last quarter of the book, I got choked up repeatedly, even when reading sections of it in public. It's a beautiful story--unquestionably Gold's best--and I daren't spoil any more details of it here. In the aforementioned process of helping to edit the book, I read the bulk of it no fewer than three or four times, and never got sick of it or felt like any of it lost its impact.

The end result is a spectacular read that paints some terrific characters, gives a top-notch romantic story, and includes some really great written erotica on top like the cherry on the proverbial sundae (and that's not even including the gorgeous interior illustrations by Blotch, either!). Fans of Kyell Gold's work cannot go wrong by checking this book out. Gay furry romance fans who don't think that the written part of our fandom is worth taking a look at ought to take a look at this to see how it's done.

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Woyro does a quick update and talks about some spaghetti westerns. Episode 82---Spaghetti western reviews - Woyro does a quick update and talks about some spaghetti westerns.

Pilot episode of Analogues, recorded January 7, 2009."Stick Figures" © AnimusicAll other content ©2009 Tanuke Media Analogues - 001 - Jan 07, 2009

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Woyro catches up with his convention plans for 2009 and rants about some great HP Lovecraft movies. Episode 80--2009 Cons & Lovecraft - Woyro catches up with his convention plans for 2009 and rants about some great HP Lovecraft movies.

Woyro talks about a furry survey and plays a song by TV's Kyle. some slightly naughty words will be spoken. Episode 79---Furry Sociology - Woyro talks about a furry survey and plays a song by TV's Kyle. some slightly naughty words will be spoken.

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